I’ve been in D.C. all afternoon, but I listened to quite a bit of the testimony on C-SPAN radio while traveling. But there is a lot stirring on what Sen. Chris Dodd said today. From CNN:
“The administration had expressed reservations,” Dodd said. “They asked for modifications. The alternative was losing the amendment entirely.”
On Tuesday, Dodd denied to CNN that he had anything to do with adding the language, which has been used by officials at bailed-out insurance giant AIG to justify paying millions of dollars in bonuses to executives after receiving federal money.
… “I agreed reluctantly,” Dodd said. “I was changing the amendment because others were insistent.” [...]
President Obama has been doing a town hall in Costa Mesa, California for quite a while, which is being televised. He’s also taking questions in an open forum. As an aside, the White House has also announced a primetime news conference next Tuesday. He’s in full court press campaign mode on his budget.
That leads me to something I wrote yesterday when the A.I.G. bonus issue was exploding. I said A.I.G. was big, but the story about a group of moderate Democrats led by Evan Bayh was bigger. Well, that gang of 15 has come together, called the “Practical Caucus.” Ahem… Their mission might be righteous, but boy is that one lame. But if Obama wants to pass anything he’ll have to get them on board because they can derail anything if they stand together. Sen. Reid no doubt also took notice. We’ll see what develops. From the New York Times:
The new coalition includes six Democratic freshmen, Mark Begich of Alaska, Michael Bennet of Colorado, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado, and Mark Warner of Virginia. Other members of the group are Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Bill Nelson of Florida. Joseph I. Lieberman, the Connecticut independent, is also part of the group.
Sen. Webb is not among them, but Sen. Mark Warner is.
But for now, Obama’s on fire, and you have the floor.
Obama is on fire. When republicans and pundits see him in these types of forums, I don’t understand how they reconcile it with their “people are losing faith in the President” and “he can’t speak without a teleprompter” memes.
It might have something to do with oh say the state of the economy, bonus payouts that everyone appears to have been lying about, Tiny Tim’s incompetence…..
My follow-up to that is: He had better be on fire and stay that way for some time to come. I am so disappointed in this administration.
As long as Obama is willing to face the public like he is tonight the public will stand with him. This is transparency of effort if nothing else. It’s fantastic.
He also said something today that he should have said days ago. “The buck stops with me.” Standing up gives people confidence. They don’t expect miracles, but they want courage, at least in performance, which Obama can deliver without breaking a sweat.
Policy is another issue.
“The buck stops with me.”
Damn, its been a long time since we heard that from a President.
Kris – I’ve lurked and read this blog throughout the primaries and from what I can tell, you’ve been disappointed in this administration since before it began. I happen to see it otherwise. Different strokes. Even though I’m in an industry that has been decimated by the economy (retail real estate), I’m starting to see some forward movement as a result of Obama’s decisions and the effect he has on a lot of people.
gee, how does he do these Town Hall’s without a teleprompter? Rahm Emmanuel must be whispering in his era
maxadog says:
18 March 2009 at 7:50 pm
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Kris has graduated to “hoping he fails” ala Rush.
Taylor Marsh says:
18 March 2009 at 7:47 pm
He also said something today that he should have said days ago. “The buck stops with me.” Standing up gives people confidence. They don’t expect miracles, but they want courage, at least in performance, which Obama can deliver without breaking a sweat.
Policy is another issue.
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now THAT”S even handed, thank you
“Tiny Time” is petty Kris, is that original to you or is that going around the blogs?
maxadog -
Very astute. I voted for Obama, but with reservation. I want him to do well for all our sakes. I could give a rats ass about party, who takes blame or credit for whatever, I just want the country to prosper.
All I see is manic activity and campaigning. I would be saying the exact same things if Clinton had won and was behaving the same way.
And as Taylor remarked he can perform without breaking a sweat. That’s nice but it isn’t what counts for me.
I don’t like Geithner and never have.
I am just sick of the Obama can do no wrong around here GeoT.
Thanks for the Rush comparison. Very un-petty of you.
Enjoy the news cycles the next few days.
I’m definitely out.
You betcha, GeoT.
The alternative, kris, is far worse, a Republican would be a disaster.
I agree with you Taylor 100%. The reservations you had, and alot of others here (or who used to be here) seem to be coming to fruition.
And I really don’t like being compared to Rush.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 7:57 pm
I don’t like Geithner and never have.
I am just sick of the Obama can do no wrong around here GeoT.
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I am no where near in that category of “he can do no wrong”, but I’m not in your category either. I balance accomplishments with missteps and take it from there. I agree with Taylor sometimes, sometimes not… that’s life
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 8:01 pm
I agree with you Taylor 100%. The reservations you had, and alot of others here (or who used to be here) seem to be coming to fruition.
And I really don’t like being compared to Rush.
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that’s not what I meant. I meat you seem to have a filter that errs on the negative.
sorry about the Rush thing Kris, I’ll take that one back.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 8:01 pm
I think your assessment is too harsh, kris. But you’re entitled to it.
Let me also add that I welcome a strong debate around here, so keep it coming.
I don’t think Obama can do no wrong.
He is a human being and will make mistakes and mis-steps.
I don’t feel one way or the other about Geithner, but the screams for his head is already getting old.
If he made a mistake, apologize and move on. Get back to work on the economy and let Congress worry about AIG outrage. And please get the man a few deputies….hell, if he left there is no one around to even run the treasury that has any authority.
I do think it is important for us to SEE and HEAR President Obama he has the ability to explain things and make up feel more confident that things will be OK. Think FDR and his fireside chats, those were not just because he like to hear himself talk. FDR knew the people needed to be reminded that he was there, on the job, working to fix things.
And when it comes down to it, would anyone want John McCain in charge right now?
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 8:01 pm
The reservations you had, and alot of others here (or who used to be here) seem to be coming to fruition.
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That’s awfully non-specific. What reservations are you referring to? Even Cramer got on the rebound wagon today? Are you expecting some kind of calamity?
vintagejulie says:
18 March 2009 at 8:13 pm
I think you just expressed what a lot of people are thinking.
vintagejulie says:
18 March 2009 at 8:13 pm
I don’t think Obama can do no wrong.
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If you look at the early results, the indicators are positive, this sniper fire on Geithner is over the top. And what does “not liking” him have to do with it. What are the results, today this week? looking better. As I said Cramer said tonight:
“we’ve reached the turning point”… in this case, I listen to Cramer
I don’t think that this site is an Obama love fest, I think Taylor gives credit when credit is due. In my opinion, Obama is 110% engaged in running this country and doing his job, and while I don’t agree with all the moves and decisions made, I appreciate that level of engagement. It’s been missing for the last 8 years. Maybe its my Gen X slackerness, but I’ve always voted dem for Pres, but this is the first time in my 37 years that I actually paid attention to and was excited for what I was voting for. So far, I haven’t been disappointed.
vintagejulie says:
18 March 2009 at 8:13 pm
And when it comes down to it, would anyone want John McCain in charge right now?
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really, everyone should meditate for 10 minutes on what it might be like right now with John and Sarah at the helm.
Wow, I left to eat and it got pretty hot in here. LOL
Natasha Richardson died. How very sad. Helmets, helmets, helmets everyone. Especially people who just don’t understand that they really can save your life.
Audiegrl says:
18 March 2009 at 8:39 pm
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I just added my 2 cents worth, Kris will not be happy.
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 8:40 pm
Natasha Richardson died. How very sad. Helmets, helmets, helmets everyone. Especially people who just don’t understand that they really can save your life.
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that’s a sad one. You know she walked down he slpoe right? It didn’t hit her until she was in her room. That’s what I heard.
My favorite Natasha Richardson movie is The Handmaiden’s Tale, based on the Margaret Atwood novel. She will be missed. RIP
I know GeoT, they said that possibly a vein severed and bled very slowly which at first she seemed okay.
LOL GeoT I just read what you said in the last thread and I think you were right. Kris seems to dwell on the negative. But, if you remember she never was happy about Hillary losing and was thinking about voting for McCain.
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 8:49 pm
LOL GeoT I just read what you said in the last thread and I think you were right. Kris seems to dwell on the negative. But, if you remember she never was happy about Hillary losing and was thinking about voting for McCain.
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I know, she’s puma with a small p, but I still like her. I just get aggravated sometimes.
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 8:49 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 8:54 pm
I don’t think that’s fair at all. Some people voted for Obama, but just don’t feel he is delivering. I hear about this from people a lot. It’s not about being “small p” or dwelling on the negative. Some just don’t find Obama’s policy living up to it.
I have written about it yet, because I was fuming mad. But it’s a good thing Obama backed off his veterans’ health care idea or all hell would have broken loose, especially around here.
Taylor – I follow Paul Rieckhoff (IAVA) on Twitter and is feeling very energized by the health care and stop loss decisions made today. I see it as an example of Obama saying, if you disagree, tell me why and maybe you’ll change my mind. In this instance, his mind was changed.
She over reacts Taylor, and that’s all I am going to say about it. I sometimes get upset with things that they do but then I remember the good things they have done so far. Also, I don’t EVER remember any good thing that Bush has done.
And now, the problem is going to be the 15 moderate dems that are banding together. I don’t know what’s going to happen with that, but I bet they are going to fight him on some issues, even though Bayh swears that it will be a good thing for the Pres.
Taylor Marsh says:
18 March 2009 at 8:58 pm
I don’t think that’s fair at all. Some people voted for Obama, but just don’t feel he is delivering.
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It’s the whole (and I quote) “The reservations you had, and alot of others here (or who used to be here) seem to be coming to fruition.”
That’s primary rhetoric. IMO. It’s “we KNEW this would happen” and p.s. “we’re kinda’ relishing the fact that it did”
that’s what I’m gettin’ — I mean it’s not “He can do no wrong” (which is what I get accused of) It’s “he can do no right”– neither extreme is real.
Rachel is really on a tear tonight about de-regulation.
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 9:05 pm
Well said, and I concur with you.
There absolutely has to be tighter regulations on the financial industry.
And I really think the credit card industry needs to be regulated. The finance charges are outrageous. We only have one and we pay it off every month so we don’t pay the charge, consequently I never noticed that they had gone up. But a woman in the audience asked Obama about it saying the charges were 30 and 40%.
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 9:05 pm
Well, even some Dems aren’t happy with him, GeoT. That doesn’t make them “small p” or always negative. It just means they aren’t enamored with President Obama, so he isn’t doing anything right to them. That’s as valid as your opinion at this point, because the President doesn’t have anything on the boards that Dems can take to the bank right now.
maxadog says:
18 March 2009 at 9:03 pm
Putting it bluntly, it was rank stupidity to even have the idea of what he proposed on vets health care out there to be talked about. He had no choice.
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 9:03 pm
I don’t think the comments made by kris have anything to do with saying Bush was good. It’s just about Obama, especially with a Dem majority.
If anyone has anything to say about Bayh’s “practical caucus,” I’d love to hear it. They have the potential, if they stick together, of putting Obama and Reid through their paces.
Always a pleasure chatting with you all.
Taylor Marsh says:
18 March 2009 at 9:14 pm
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Agreed. I’m not giving him points for doing the right thing, but I’m glad he wasn’t so firmly set as “the decider” that he marched headstrong into stupidity.
I agree Taylor, that was way out there. Don’t understand why it was even suggested.
Dexter Filkins is on Rachel’s show right now.
Taylor Marsh says:
18 March 2009 at 9:13 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 9:05 pm
Well, even some Dems aren’t happy with him, GeoT. That doesn’t make them “small p” or always negative.
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I was referring to one person and one person only. I try not to generalize.
There are plenty of valid criticisms I’ve said that and believe that. There are also areas where high praise has been earned.
One of the things I do like about Obama is that he is more than willing to listen and if you have a better idea or a better argument against what he’s thinking of doing, he changes his mind. And he’s not afraid to say, “hey, I’ll go with what you are saying.” Something we have missed for 8 years.
Taylor Marsh says:
18 March 2009 at 9:13 pm
because the President doesn’t have anything on the boards that Dems can take to the bank right now.
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is that your final answer?
Dems are hard (impossible) to please if that’s the case.
The “practical caucus” baffles me. Especially, the freshmen senators and the ones from blue states. Do we know what their mission statement is yet?
I think kris made that comment that AG and myself have been saying we hate repubs. And yes, I have said that, but mainly out of frustration. And of course it is really directed at the nuts on Fox and on the radio that control what we listen to, on the radio that is.
I have friends, good ones, that are republicans so I don’t really hate them all. But having been one, I know how radical they can be IMO.
Never mind on the m.s., scrolled down on the article and found it… “to craft common-sense solutions to urgent national problems.”
Um, shouldn’t that be the objective of every pol?
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 9:28 pm
I think kris made that comment that AG and myself have been saying we hate repubs. And yes, I have said that, but mainly out of frustration. And of course it is really directed at the nuts on Fox and on the radio that control what we listen to, on the radio that is.
I have friends, good ones, that are republicans.
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Same here, just avoid talking about climate change, that’s where I get hot under the collar…
Well maxadog I am really upset because both my new senators are in that clique. That’s Bennet and Udall. I guess I’m going to have to send them each an email because I didn’t vote for them to go into a private little membership.
maxadog says:
18 March 2009 at 9:32 pm
Never mind on the m.s., scrolled down on the article and found it… “to craft common-sense solutions to urgent national problems.”
Um, shouldn’t that be the objective of every pol?
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…and shouldn’t they have been doing that all along?
I liked McCaskill until I saw her name on there. What bothers me with her is that she was always a strong Obama supporter. Now what is she doing. I guess I’m going to have to tweet her.
Do they have ulterior motives?
Did Udall campaign as Republican-lite? Bennett was appointed, right? Begich of Alaska, yuck. I’ve been to Alaska, it really is like Northern Exposure, we should donate that whole state to Canada in exchange for Vancouver or Toronto.
Are you watching Rachel? She has Wilkerson on right now. Very good interview about innocent men being sent to Guantanamo.
I think Obama is doing a good job so far and he is clearly disappointing some folks. He’s a politician and that’s not a slam – politicians develop policy and try to develop policy that is doable and will achieve the intended results. That’s what both Clintons’ have long said – “the art of the possible.” It’s just that some posters here seem to think Obama walks on water – he doesn’t – but he’s damn good swimmer.
No he didn’t campaign like a Republican-lite. And yes bennet was appointed. If my memory is right (which at my age I’m lucky if it is), he was the head of all the Denver school systems. Or maybe the head of the Board of Education.
LOL about AK. I went there on a cruisetour and loved it. But definitely wouldn’t want to live there. It could be very depressing.
Now, now djjl, I’ve never thought he walked on water. I just don’t like to see unjust criticism. I agree with the rest of your post though. People forget that the Clintons are both damn good politicians, and that’s what it takes. Unfortunately the word politician has the same negative affect that the word lawyer has.
great now we’re back to Messiah references…
I have a feeling some things will never change.
Name one person, djjl who thinks “he walks on water” one.
Admiring and supporting someone is a healthy thing. Not messianic worship.
Alaska itself is beautiful, the people are wacked out. Truly, out of their minds, collectively.
I think its time to sick Rahmbo on this caucus before they carried away with themselves.
I agree with djjl, Obama is a politician, albeit a very good one. He convinced my racist, bigoted, republican step-father to vote for him. And he lives in Florida, so it was an important vote to get. I expect Obama to make mistakes, and when he does, I expect him to cop to it. I can respect that.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29759026/
Obama admin sending more agents to the mexican border.
I was talking to my sister last night in OR and a good friend of theirs is an agent on the Canadian border which I guess is pretty hairy because of the middle easterners, i.e., Iranians, etc coming across because they have to check the terrorist list for names.
djjl says:
18 March 2009 at 9:43 pm
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I’m edgy, I re-read your post. I retract my response.
sorry.
Neither cheerleading, nor side show hawking, nor litmus testing is going to help the Obama administration. I doubt it’s reached it’s tipping point yet but it’s time is nigh. The MSM is developing it’s narrative, and it’s beginning it’s turning on Obama. Once that narrative takes hold, the dog will not give up it’s bone.
I didn’t vote for Obama, nope, didn’t want to participate in what I saw as the Democratic party’s willful self-immolation around a would be Great Leader. That said, playing “told you so” is a self-sickening thing as well. I certainly don’t want Obama to fail, because well I want a sound secure country on the other side of this mess. Go fig. To imply that people who want a fire lit under Obama’s rear want him to fail is myopic and futile. It advances nothing.
Who cares about who gets the “honors” or “credit” .. I could care less if he goes into the history books as a Rushmore worthy Great. The problem is he has to be that kind of President. Those are the times we’re in. It’s a demand of the era. Obama has to start doing, performing … has to start accomplishing and Big Time, Big for the History Books Big Time.
Nobody can be forced to apologize for the requirements of a challenging, historic period. They meet or they fail them. Obama has to start meeting them. Is it fair he has to fix what it took not just 8 but close to 30 years to break? No, but that’s governance for you. This isn’t just republican made, it’s complicitous Democrat made too. It started with Reagan and a pliant Tip O’Neil on through Bush II and the Democratic controlled Congress of ’06. Complicity must share the blame …. whatever. It needs fixing, everyone’s hands are dirty on this but theirs are the hands still on the wheel, still wielding the tools of repair.
As for the Republicans, I know I’ve never seen that party so quiescent, ineffectual and irrelevant to the process, but that’s going to change. The Republicans are in the wilderness but the wilderness is something they’ve always been able to make work for them, unlike the Democratic party. Johnson crushing Goldwater wrought Nixon and laid the initial groundwork for Reagan. Carter wrought and cemented Reagan and Clinton wrought Gingrich. The best the Democrats could “energize” themselves with after 6 increasingly hated years of Bush II was a desultory majority too timid to say “boo”.
Obama can be Carter Redux but he must not be. Saying he must not be isn’t a question of litmus testing; it certainly isn’t apostasy. It is though vaguely patriotic, since this isn’t a game, there’s a country at stake.
Yet another televised “Town Hall” pep rally or a Jay Leno appearance probably underwhelm some people, probably the people that want Obama to get on with the work he volunteered forcefully to be his, that of the Chief Executive, the Doer in Chief, not the Idea-man in Chief, not the Talker in Chief. It’s the kind of herculean effort of that falls upon the Presidency only once or twice a century and it’s his now. He must start toting the barges and lifting the bales, the things one has to do without a microphone and an audience.
So, Obama has to deal with: bank crisis, credit crisis, the global econ meltdown, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, global warming, unemployment, healthcare, drug cartels in Mexico, housing crisis, practical caucus members, war criminal Dick Cheney, the world’s unflattering perception of the US, and…… It’s a wonder he isn’t curled up in the Oval in the fetal position.
My question of the week —
When the DOW makes its way back to 10,000 later this year – will the Obama critics STFU ?
Seriously.
I agree with you maxadog. This is really an ominous task for him. I I still haven’t figured out if autumnal is dem or rep. But the fact that she/he did not vote for Obama leads me to believe republican. Or maybe even Nader. Who knows. I happen to think that he’s done quite a bit in his 2 months as CIC.
Autumnal – I think the town hall’s are a hell of a lot more than a pep rally. I think they are a valuable way for the general public to interact with the President in an intimate setting that doesn’t get distorted by the cable talking heads and biased reporters that like to tell us what to think.
But then again, I don’t understand what is meant by “the Democratic party’s willful self-immolation around a would be Great Leader” nor “Obama can be Carter Redux but he must not be. Saying he must not be isn’t a question of litmus testing; it certainly isn’t apostasy.”
As for the Republicans, I know I’ve never seen that party so quiescent, ineffectual and irrelevant to the process, but that’s going to change. The Republicans are in the wilderness but the wilderness is something they’ve always been able to make work for them, unlike the Democratic party. autumnal
Bullshit. The Republican party has one foot in the grave. You need to look into the percentage of ‘Anglo’ votes that has dropped 10% since Reagan was elected (and will continue to drop). As Meghan McCain noted, if the right-wing doesn’t GET IT they will quickly be shoved into the proverbial closet as homophobic, racist, narrow-minded assholes – and you will soon have to go to a museum to find one that actually got elected.
GeoT, are you on twitter. It’s really kind of fun. I now have a dem strategist following me. Had to ask him why since I’m not anyone at all that he would be interested in reading about.
That’s a pretty good analysis pmichael.
Betsy – I love Twitter. It provides a nice, almost “voyeuristic” insight into people. Plus, I can get updates on what’s going on from my iPhone. It’s been interesting to follow people and see their random comments on Top Chef, or rude people at Starbucks and then see them on the cable shows talking about congress or Iraq or whatever. It reminds me that we’re really all just people.
O’Reilly certainly showed his true colors today. He let Coulter’s sister, Laura Ingraham guest host so she could show what an idiot she is. While playing Meghan’s somewhat intelligent remarks from various TV shows, the dyke overlaid them with her valley girl imitations. Gee – what an intelligent argument (damn. now I have a hole in my cheek)
I voted for Nader, living in the bluest state in the Union afforded me “root room” for that electoral vanity and I happily availed myself of it.
I, being one of the public, have to admit that I don’t expect to interact with the President, I do expect the President to govern though. Sitting at his desk getting the Departments filled would be a nice start. It isn’t just Obama who isn’t doing anything, it’s the fact that entire Executive Branch has barely even made it to the starting gate that’s driving people to distraction. Treasury is the worst but all the other Departments are not staffed either.
There’s a conviction of many, and I was one, that the prospect of an Obama Presidency looked to be nothing better than a Carter Presidency Redux. That’s an assessment that’s becoming a meme that risks becoming the narrative. That prospect is the willful self-immolation I was talking about. Obama can’t be allowed to go Carter without a lot of naysaying DON’T DO A CARTER. The Carter Presidency gave two enduring “gifts” to the country, the two liter Coke bottle and Volker’s curative recession. The Carter Presidency also made Ronald Reagan. So again, Obama can easliy is I think prone to become a Carter Redux, but he must not be allowed to go there. I’m that kind of Democrat.
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:05 pm
Neither cheerleading, nor side show hawking, nor litmus testing is going to help the Obama administration.
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ahhhh, the daily blah, blah, blah… on newsstands now.
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:05 pm
I doubt it’s reached it’s tipping point yet but it’s time is nigh.
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and the Town Crier is proclaiming ye olde BS.
pmichael says:
18 March 2009 at 10:17 pm
Same kind of thing was said back in the 60s about the Republicans and bam but didn’t we get Nixon. The Democratic party was admittedly very helpful in patented play of self-hobbling. I think analysis like that is hopeful thinking that ignores too much history though.
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:36 pm
you really have to do better than neener neener
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:05 pm
I see you as: verbal masturbation… you write to please yourself and no one else gets anything out of it.
Autumnal – I think its a myopic opinion that Obama has to be sitting as his desk in order to govern. However, your stated view that Obama “isn’t doing anything” is clearly clouded by preconceptions.
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:39 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:36 pm
you really have to do better than neener neener
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I don’t engage you because you talk in circles and double speak… it adds up to nothing.
I think analysis like that is hopeful thinking that ignores too much history though. Autumnal
No – this is simply a thing called ‘statistical analysis’ – and you are the one engaged in ‘wishful thinking’.
White Supremacy is statistically almost dead – and Obama’s election put the cap on that.
Your ‘history’ is just that exactly – history
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:41 pm
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:39 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:36 pm
you really have to do better than neener neener
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I don’t engage you because you talk in circles and double speak… it adds up to nothing.
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I think I lay out the cases clearly in my infrequent postings actually, but that’s of course debatable. You do engage me but not in debate about any substance that might make it into my postings just in mere dung tossing that’s the internet though.
pmichael says:
18 March 2009 at 10:12 pm
My question of the week —
When the DOW makes its way back to 10,000 later this year – will the Obama critics STFU ?
Seriously.:
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No they’ll find another angle to attack from. He will never be able to do enough to make a dent in the autumnal crowd who say “don’t confuse me with facts my minds made up”
AIG will return a profit to the Treasury, that’s my prediction for the day.
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:47 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:41 pm
autumnal says:
18 March 2009 at 10:39 pm
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:36 pm
you really have to do better than neener neener
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I don’t engage you because you talk in circles and double speak… it adds up to nothing.
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I think I lay out the cases clearly in my infrequent postings actually, but that’s of course debatable.
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you write self-serving novels on a blog that is normally about give and take not a vocabulary contest.
I wonder if Obama has a deal already made with the “practical caucus”?
I don’t get MeCaskill at all. She was swooning over the President all during the primary and now she has set herself in opposition more than once.According to one of her policy writers who worked in my neck of the woods for Obama during the campaign they are great friends.They started out together as freshman Senators with offices next door to each other.I always wonder if she is his mole with conservative Dems?
Hello all -
1. Thanks to Taylor.
2. I am not a puma GeoT, whether it is a small p or a large P.
3. I do not overreact Betsy. You under react.
4. Augiegrl – you have been around here along time. I admire you. Sometimes, IMO, you exhibit a love affair with Obama.
5. Yes I was a Clinton supporter who put mucho buckos into the campaign along with alot of energy. I have been around politics for a very long time. I know it’s all about winning or losing. I lost – I got over it.
I am going to try this just one more time and limit my observations to AIG only (as I was on previous threads) and with a reminder that the current President is a politician as well.
My “overreaction and negativity” is directed here:
The phony outrage by the Congress and our President at the bonuses paid to AIG ( it works out to about .50 a taxpayer by the way). Why? Not necessarily because they were paid bonuses but because of the lying and politics being played.
The bonuses were part of the stimulus bill. Remember that one? The bill that came out that NO ONE had a chance to read before voting. The bill that WAS NOT on the internet for at least 48 hours before being voted on.
Chris Dodd tonight (and I saw the interview) specifically said that that part of the stimulus bill was specifically requested by the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION (read that specifically by the Treasury Dept.). The language that he had put in the bill LIMITING executive, or other, compensation the CURRENT administration asked him to rewrite. They were concerned that there would be lawsuits over it. Well duh.
Now the President comes out today and said he is angry about the compensation. Why? Geithner said he knew nothing about it – a flat out lie. They are the ones that requested the change.
Today the President goes to CA, my home state, and rails against all of this.
What happened to transparency? They have thrown Chris Dodd under the bus and by the way I am no huge Chris Dodd fan. He has his own issues and I will be surprised if he is re-elected.
My point in previous comments has been that I do not understand how some of you folks can make excuses for this stuff. This is not how Obama presented himself during either the primary or the general. I am NOT willing to excuse him because he is a Democrat. There are certain things that are right, or wrong, regardless of party.
Again, all I want is for my country to be secure and prosper. I DO NOT care if you are a Repub or a Dem, who gets the credit or blame, I want honesty and not political gamesmanship.
Autumnal I don’t know how old you are, and don’t really care. I do agree with you on one thing. Carter was a bad President, but at least honest. I don’t think Obama will ever be a Carter.
I had just become a teenager when Eisenhower became President. He was what I always believed was the Republican party. My whole family except my dad were republicans. When I was old enough to vote I registered as a republican. The republican party since Reagan has been the party of big business, no longer the people party that Eisenhower was. Nixon was a great environmentalist, but dishonest. Unfortunately I was not as politically astute when Reagan first ran as I became later. I voted for Reagan in 80 and 84. Then voted for Dukakis in 88. So…..I guess what I’m saying is that with all your assumed intellect, I think you are dead wrong about Obama. I think I’m a pretty good judge of people and I think the line up of dems that ran in the primary was pretty damn good. I probably could have supported any of them.
Couldn’t support Nader, he just is a person who wants to be a spoiler. I blame him for Kerry losing.
Betsy says:
18 March 2009 at 10:20 pm
GeoT, are you on twitter.
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my left eye is twitching right now, does that count?
I haven’t made the leap to Twitter yet.
pmichael says:
18 March 2009 at 10:44 pm
I can’t think of only one time when an American political party was deader than the Republican party was after Nixon’s resignation: the Federalist party after the Hartford convention. That killed the Federalist party. The Republican party is in no such great a disarray as it was after Nixon’s resignation. It’ll be back and it will go for the throat like it always does. Whether the country’s throat will be well armored by a Democratic government laureled in accomplishments is the thing.
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 10:49 pm
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LOL @ “vocabulary contest”. I was thinking someone knows how to hit “shift F7″ in Word, (or “opt Apple R” in Mac) for the Thesaurus.
Gotta run.
I love the way the parents tipeetoe around them.
GeoT, got all my Dahlia tubers into the ground today. Betsy – are you watching the unhatched Amtrak eggs ?
I don’t think so LL. Obama campaigned hard for her in her Senate run. I think alot of her loyalty or friendship was based on that alone. She ended up voting agains the omnibus bill the day after she said on George S’s show she would vote for it.
Political cover is how I see it.
pmichael says:
18 March 2009 at 10:55 pm
Gotta run.
I love the way the parents tipeetoe around them.
GeoT, got all my Dahlia tubers into the ground today. Betsy – are you watching the unhatched Amtrak eggs ?
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Did my first crack at Orchids and did 6 pots of bulbs… and Carnations from seed
I’ll show you new pics later.
Kris – RE: McCaskill and the omnibus. After the vote, she Twittered that she “just couldn’t do it”. She didn’t have any earmarks in it, so she is fiscally conservative (ish). I wonder if that is by nature or geography. Her Tweets are fun to read, for whatever that is worth.
By the way – hi LL. I miss you commenting more often. Good to see you.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 10:52 pm
Kris all I will say is you’re calling allot of people liars in your post. I make sure I am 100% sure of the facts before I make accusations like that. Are you sure of your facts, enough to call people liars?
As for the small p puma comment I made… in context I stand by it. You indicated that “your suspicions” from the primaries are now coming true… that fits the bill for me. You have no way of knowing after 2 months what the long term results will be, Right now the indicators are strongly positive. Of course you won’t admit that.
maxadog -
I don’t know but I would be on a little bit of both. Actually I supported her in MO (I’m in CA so that took some work) and then I was a little disappointed in her. So I don’t have a good read on her at all.
kris…Bill Clinton campaigned hard for her too. He came and raised much needed money at the last minute(when her campaign was broke) when he was still recovering from surgery. I will never forget how nasty she was to Hillary. She still looks like she is sucking on lemons if Hillary’s name comes up.
I worked for her but won’t do it again. She should have run as a Republican-lite(truth in advertising)I am excited about Robin Carnahan running for the retiring Kit Bond’s seat. She is a real Dem.
kris, I’ve been around for a long long time too. I’ve learned not to knee jerk react. So maybe I do under react. But I don’t intend to get my blood pressure going until I know that I need to react. I guess having lived through many tragedies both my own and friends, I know that life is too short to get myself wrapped around the axle and over react.
I’m concerned about our country, but I also feel that this man has only been in office for 2 months and already people are ready to rip him to shreds. I agree with maxadog, he has had to face more than any other president except FDR maybe. So that’s all I am going to say. And I stick by what I said that I feel you over react. Maybe if I were talking to you face to face I wouldn’t feel that, but if you read your posts on the previous thread, to me that was over reaction.
IT’s all in your view GeoT. Stand by your small p all you want. You’re wrong. Short term often defines long term. I just don’t understand what’s so hard to understand that there are some Dems who aren’t happy with the Pres.
My biggest issue with Obama is that he picked UNC in his brackets. I am a huge Duke fan and I can’t believe he picked UNC. The other issue for me is he is a White Sox fan. Red Sox for me win or lose.
See – I can have some fun.
hey back at ya kris~
Geo~ I’m crippled form the yard work I did today,got all of my beds cleared and now we are having a nice slow rain.Perfect!
I am never sucessful with orchids..I love them but just don’t have the right inside light.I can get all my ferns through the winter but that’s it.
My read on Senator Claire is that she’s going to vote conservatively when she can, but if Obama needs her vote (like on the stim package), she’s going to be there for him. Hopefully, that translates into healthcare.
BTW – California in the hizzouse…. I’m in San Francisco.
I didn’t know that LL. All I ever saw was Obama campaigning for her. And I agree with you – she has a real thing about Hillary.
I don’t know how well she has performed for MO but from what you are saying, not very well. She is a real mystery.
pmichael if you are still here. No I have not seen the amtrak eggs. I’m watching 3 channel island nests, 1 in Maryland, 1 in WV and 1 in Norfolk, VA. Actually the Norfolk one they have the capability of zooming in on the nest, so it’s fun to watch. There are 3 eggs there and the first egg laid is due to hatch any day now. I love the channel island nests because they have sound and all the eagles have wingblings so you know which one is the male and which is the female.
If you want those links let me know.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:08 pm
IT’s all in your view GeoT. Stand by your small p all you want. You’re wrong. Short term often defines long term. I just don’t understand what’s so hard to understand that there are some Dems who aren’t happy with the Pres.
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and “some Dems” are satisfied while still vigilant.
okay, let’s try this: name the things you see as positive accomplishments… in the first 2 months.
hey there Maxadog my daughter and son live in SF. Daughter is a trauma nurse, and son is a chef.
Kris –
Duke? I HATE Duke! I went to UNLV and I will never forgive them for knocking us out of the 1991 tourney.
Lake Lady says:
18 March 2009 at 11:09 pm
hey back at ya kris~
Geo~ I’m crippled form the yard work I did today,got all of my beds cleared and now we are having a nice slow rain.Perfect!
I am never sucessful with orchids..I love them but just don’t have the right inside light.I can get all my ferns through the winter but that’s it
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I told djjl earlier I’m trying Orchids in honor of my Mom who grew some gorgeous ones. We’ll see how I do
BTW: I’m rolling out of bed in the AM I’m so sore.
Betsy – San Francisco is pretty. I moved here about 2-1/2 years ago. My job brought me here. I’ve got itchy feet and am ready to move somewhere else if I can find another job, but until then, its not a bad place to be. The restaurants are the best. I’m a foodie, so I am jealous of your son’s vocation.
Claire’s performance has been disappointing to me but I am a progressive. I would say at this point in time MO is purple,Obama only lost by 1/2 a percentage point.Missouri is like two states. The cities and college towns are Blue but the rural part of the state is Red. We have some full nutcase wingdings in the state house.
Hell Geot that’s easy -
Stell Cell
Ledbetter
Trying to close Gitmo (although I think that is going to be very difficult for the admin)
I am thrilled that in No. CA we are already seeing $$ from the stimulus package for shovel ready projects. The most important one in my mind for where I live is the money for fire suppression. Lots of money for clearing forest under growth, etc. which will result in less fires and healthy forests. I am really happy about that because the fires up here last year were so bad we didn’t see the sun for a week and we had health hazards here (read that air quality) for 3 weeks.
Supporting gay rights around the world.
Extension of childrens health insurance.
Does that list work for you?
OMG maxadog – Everyone hates Duke it seems. Jealous of all the success I guess. Sorry about 1991 but you can’t argue that Coach Mike is one of the best ever.
Geo~ Do you have any skylights? My brother is very successful growing beauties under his kitchen skylight.
Did you see the HBO Sports documentary that is currently playing about the Duke / Carolina rivalry? They went thru the history of both teams and I had to stop myself from throwing something at the tv when Christian Laettner’s face came on the screen. And then they showed snips from the UNLV game and that gnome Bobby Hurley. I really loathe Duke. Coach K even said in the program that people either love Duke or hate them, there is no in between.
If you’re a Duke fan, then another thing you like about Obama must be his hot hunk of a personal assistant and Duke Alum, Reggie Love.
Did anyone read,’I am Charlotte Simmons’by Tom Wolfe? The setting is Duke. He calls it something else but it is Duke. I love his work and the book sheds a scary light on college life.Glad I read it AFTER my daughter had graduated.
You got it maxadog. And it is true, you either love them or hate them. I just happen to love them.
I wil give you this – I would throw up if I saw Laettner’s face to. I was not a fan of his and I will never forget the “game winning” shot of his. That was crap.
See – GeoT, Betsy and Audiegrl think I can’t be fair but I can be.
Maxadog
SF is my favorite big city. I love to go visit both of them. May go there in May to visit. Daughter went to nursing school in NY, but ended up in SF with a job. She was really hesitant because she loves both NYC and SF. But she’s happy in SF and better money.
So I take it LL she graduated from Duke? No wonder I like you so much
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:17 pm
Hell Geot that’s easy -
Does that list work for you?\
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yes
just trying to get some perspective. I’ll say it again. The criticism (yours and others) is needed and important. I just don’t think you’re giving the economic efforts enough time to prove effective, or ineffective. My strong opinion is the rebound has already started. I predicted up thread that AIG will return a profit to the Treasury when all is said and done. We’ll see if I’m right on that.
Darn I put the brackets just around Maxadog and it did the whole post in bold. How do I just do the bold where I want it.
maxadog – who do you pick to win? What do your brackets look like?
Lake Lady says:
18 March 2009 at 11:20 pm
Geo~ Do you have any skylights? My brother is very successful growing beauties under his kitchen skylight.
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no but I have a sun room, will that work? My Moms’ were outside all year, but that was in So Cal.
We’re mending fences tonight, folks! Now, where’s the Ann chick? Kidding!
He focused on the lacrosse guys and basketball. None of the atheletes came off well. Sexist,immature,dumb (even at Duke)the coach was a real obnoxious guy.Of course it was a novel but he said for a year he became a fixture at the school and it’s parties to get the feel.
Sunrooms work well:) Outside all year!!!! Oh I can only imagine.
Did I hear Liddy say that some of the exec did not take the bonuses and he asked the others to return half. I know the last part is what I heard but am not sure if I heard him say some didn’t take the bonus.
kris, even if they asked Dodd to take that out because of lawsuits doesn’t mean they can’t be angered by the bonuses and putting the country in this position.
Geot -
I hope you are 100 percent right. And you could be right about the economic efforts. One thing that we do know is that we will be here to discuss it.
And I want to make one thing perfectly clear – I have been at TM for a long time and have seen alot of commenters come and go. Some I wish were back, but I respect you all (even when you piss me off and call me a puma) and wish every one here nothing but the best.
Tomorrow is a Sammy day so I better get to bed…he keeps his grandma hopping!
Night all~
Kris – I haven’t done the full brackets, but I’d like to see Syracuse.
Betsy – The money is good in SF, but its also very expensive here. I am not sure I’m a city girl any longer. I really want to get an alpaca farm in someplace like Montana and drive a pick up truck and wear jeans everyday. Of course, I have to work, and my career is dependent on population, so alpaca’s are my lottery fantasy.
Okay Betsy we can agree to disagree on this. I have said enough about it. But I will say one last thing. They didn’t ask Dodd to take it out they asked him to re-write it so they could get bonuses therefore avoiding lawsuits. That is what pisses me off. Enough said.
Liddy did as that they return at least half and according to what Liddy said they have agreed. Others have said they are going to return all of their bonuses.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:31 pm
Geot -
I hope you are 100 percent right. And you could be right about the economic efforts. One thing that we do know is that we will be here to discuss it.
And I want to make one thing perfectly clear – I have been at TM for a long time and have seen alot of commenters come and go. Some I wish were back, but I respect you all (even when you piss me off and call me a puma) and wish every one here nothing but the best.
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group hug
That was nice to say Kris, thanks.
night LL
Alright, I’m a Duke fan. And Maxadog I am not a UNLV fan because they are in the Mountain West where AF is. And I’m afraid I have to always go with AF because hubby graduated from there. This year they are absolutely terrible but I will stick with them, two years ago they did get to go to the other playoffs, forgot the name and a year before that they were in the sweet 16.
But remember everyone they can’t recruit like other schools because AF has height requirements.
Night LL. Come back soon.
That’s funny maxadog. It’s exactly why I moved from the Bay Area some time ago. I don’t have alpaca’s but I had race horses for some time. I loved it and still love living in a rural area. Nothing like it for me. I grew up in big cities and you couldn’t get me back in one these days for any amount of $$$.
I’m not blowing smoke up anyones you know what. I really mean it.
And you may not believe this GeoT but if I am wrong I promise you I will admit it.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:31 pm
Well kris I’ve been here only since the primaries ended. Came here because I saw Taylor on TV and wanted to see what it was like here. There were some pretty raw emotions here at the time. But what I respected about Taylor was the fact that she was willing to support Obama because of her democratic principles.
And by the way, we can all agree to disagree. I happen to like you and I only wish you the best too.
Betsy – are you really a Duke fan?
Kris – I’m starting to get to the point where the money doesn’t matter. I put off marriage and children to focus on my career, and now I’m questioning if that was a wise decision. I’m hopeful the economy will turn around this year so that more options become available.
Betsy:
If you didn’t catch it: Frontline this week?
“The Soldier’s Heart,”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heart/view/
If you are a Duke fan I not only like you but I love you. See how superficial I can be? heh-heh.
“Autumnal – I think the town hall’s are a hell of a lot more than a pep rally. I think they are a valuable way for the general public to interact with the President in an intimate setting that doesn’t get distorted by the cable talking heads and biased reporters that like to tell us what to think.”
I agree.
Like I said they are more like the “fireside chats”.
Most of the media cannot be trusted once they get going, they deal in insider gossip and innuendo.
They distort and they lie.
In times like this the last thing we need is a President who is working so hard that he is invisible to the American people.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:39 pm
I’m not blowing smoke up anyones you know what. I really mean it.
And you may not believe this GeoT but if I am wrong I promise you I will admit it.
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good because so will I. I’d say it’s 50/50 right now,
Well see kris you and I have something in common. Just before hubby retired we moved to a small farm and I had quarter horses. I loved it. I did want to race them until I talked to a race trainer and he told me I had to have a heart of steel. That’s when I decided to just breed for good confirmation and for cutting and roping. Daughter had an outstanding paint that she showed in both english and western.
I was reading the comments at ESPN.com where the Pres’ brackets are and boy, wingnuttia. Apparently, Obama is the worse president evah because he spent 15 minutes doing the brackets for the tourney. I am more a football person and I thought it was cool when he did a fantasy team for a week during the campaign.
Maxadog -
I understand what you are saying. I just had the good fortune of moving some time ago and getting really good paying jobs where I live so I could support the horse thing.
I hope you have more options too. There is nothing like seeing rolling, green hills with horses, sheep, goats or cattle grazing. It is absolutely gorgeous where I live (not in the summer though because it gets that CA golden). I thank God every morning for his/her blessings in my surroundings. When it gets over 100 degrees I am not so thankful.
It will come to you no doubt. Live your dreams. You will never regret the gamble.
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:37 pm
I grew up in big cities and you couldn’t get me back in one these days for any amount of $$$.
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Same here, although Watsonville is 47,000 so that may be big city to you now… remember I just moved from L.A. so it’s the boonies to me.
yes kris, I’m a Duke fan. My grandfather and great uncle went to Duke. I root for teams where I have an identity with, LOL. I root for USC because my mother graduated from there. I finished my degree after I got married so I’m not as attached to any team because they didn’t have any, LOL.
“They didn’t ask Dodd to take it out they asked him to re-write it so they could get bonuses therefore avoiding lawsuits.”
Which is worse?
Just paying the money or spending tons of money in years of litigation only to lose in the end?
It was just a few weeks ago that Republicans and a few Democrats were screaming to high heaven that we could not allow bankruptcy judges to change the terms of mortgages because of “contract law”.
Now “contract law” means nothing to them.
I wish they would make up their minds….
GeoT says:
18 March 2009 at 11:43 pm
kris says:
18 March 2009 at 11:39 pm
And you may not believe this GeoT but if I am wrong I promise you I will admit it.
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good because so will I.
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good grief maxadog you sound like my daughter, LOL. Pursued a career, wasn’t interested in marriage but now that she just turned 40 she’s decided she wants a family and settle down. I said to her “sweetie, you need to find a husband, and you are sooo sooo picky that will take awhile.”
Kris – Thanks. I agree, NorCal is beautiful. I went to Tahoe last weekend to see some snow and it was lovely. I also like Half Moon Bay, in fact, the photo of my dog (see left) is taken at Poplar Beach in HMB.
Well, I’ve had to read all Taylor’s articles and the subsequent comments for today and just thought I’d add my two cents before I go to bed. I’ve been with the Munchkin all day. She has the Roto virus (the 4th time since she was 8 months old) and that is one horrible gastro intestinal bug to get rid of.
I think Obama has accomplished alot in the past two months (and let’s be honest two months does not a Presidency make). And where I think he has made a really big impression is in foreign affairs. When I was in Egypt a couple of weeks ago many of the people who were at the meeting with me were from the Middle East countries and African countries. They love his reaching out to them and think the world of Hillary. His lifting the “gag rule” was one of the biggest discussions of the meeting. You have no idea how much easier that makes it for people involved in reproductive health.
As to UNC – I lived in Chapel Hill for 7 years and worked in the School of Medicine and of course we were Tar Heel fans. But what was amazing is that Coach Smith used to send his basketball players up to the Peds Dept to visit with the kids. My son was only about 12 years old at the time and was always in the hospital for months at a time. It was during this time that he met Michael Jordan, who was his hero for years. So of course we’ll be rooting for the Tar Heels as always.
Your comments have been, as usual, stimulating, thought provoking and down right fun to read.
You are right Betsy. You have to have a heart of steel. It didnt’t last a real long time for me. Trainers were too expensive. Hauling and boarding out of the area got to be too expensive. But mostly the horses I had became my pets. I retired them at an early age and they came to live with me. Believe it or not they drank beer on hot days and my baby (my favorite) drank wine coolers. Don’t accuse me of animal abuse – they only got a sip or two. I absolutely loved them.
vintagejulie says:
18 March 2009 at 11:47 pm
Hi there vintagejulie. And you are right. I asked my hubby who is a retired atty and he said yes it would probably be in the millions to defend on something like this. But the average joe doesn’t understand all that.
It’s like Liddy asking that the names not be released because of all the threats they were getting. People don’t try and work this out in their mind, they are just angry so they want to go after someone, anyone.
Betsy – I’m about to turn 38 and I’m not planning on waiting for the husband. You can order what you need to have a child over the internet. My poor mother is trying to come to grips with how she will have to explain it to her friends and family in the event that I place my order.
LOL kris, I know, I loved mine too. I’ll never forget this one mare we had. Whenever she foaled she would make sure it was out in the open so I could see her. She ALWAYS came out of the barn into the corral, laid down and had her foal. One day people had come over to buy a baby goat and they were talking about the mare. Suddenly she laid down and proceeded to foal in front of me and the young couple. They were thrilled because they had never seen a foal born. I loved those babies.
maxadog says:
18 March 2009 at 11:53 pm
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Tell her to tell them it was the “Holy Spirit.” Now I’ll probably be struck down by lightning for saying that.
maxadog, that is just too funny because believe it or not Katrina has stated that to me. And it’s shocking to me that she loves the big city because she was only 7 when we moved to the farm. She loved it, especially riding the horses. And it was out a little ways from Colorado Springs.
Jane Austen – that’s a good one. What I told her to tell them started with “I was drunk in a bar one night”.
LOL JA. Nothing my daughter does surprises me anymore. She’s a very liberate liberal woman.
well I have to go to bed. I’m really tired tonight. Don’t know why because I haven’t done that much today. See you all tomorrow I hope. Let’s hope it will be a better day for all of us and Obama.
Betsy -
My mare was pregnant and living with me. I checked her every night when I thought she was close. I never saw her foal but the night she did I had a feeling she was going to. I went out constantly to check but I think she deliberately wouldn’t do it because I was watching. I finally gave up, had dinner, cleaned up and decided to check on her one more time. Walked up to the pen area and around the stall peeked out a little horse face. He was heaven to me. I will never forget it.
maxadog says:
19 March 2009 at 12:00 am
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The Holy Spirit is better I think; sounds much purer.
Before I go, have to tell you a story that is just heart wrenching. I young woman home on spring break was at the gas station pumping gas when an SUV rammed into a truck which hit her mini van. It exploded and she was pinned between the gas pump and her van. She died. It was really horrific.
Good night Betsy. Me too. Need to have some dinner and get up early to get to work.
Believe it or not I want Obama to have a good day too.
Night everyone. Thanks for the great conversation and thanks to Taylor for TM.
The person that caused it all is also a young woman. She was charged with reckless driving. Not anything worse because there was no alcohol involved, just carelessness. Boy will I ever start watching behind me when I’m pumping gas. Such a sad sad freak accident.
Betsy – that is an awful story. Makes you thankful for each day doesn’t it.
Night everyone.
Jane – pure is definitely not an adjective my mother would use often for me.
Goodnight All! I feel like we made some progress from the beginning of this thread. It’s not good to go to bed angry or combative. Regardless of our minor differences, we’re all fighting the good fight.
Good night all. Remember every cloud has a silver lining, or something like that.
I really like you maxadog. Glad you are here.
Nigh everyone.
night Besty, night maxadog, night JA, Kris
night John boy….
Goodnight Geo. I was afraid it got a little too estrogen-ey for you in here.
Kris – back at you! I respect your passion for what’s important to you. I can dig it.
NorCal out!
maxadog says:
19 March 2009 at 12:15 am
NorCal out!
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Central Coast out!
Wow, you all had more action here than at the hockey game I attended tonight. Good job everyone! Took me quite a while to read all the comments.
Moderate Dems = ulterior motives (what’s in it for them?)
Geithner = coyote guarding the hen house (maybe he will tell on previous admin evil doers or is he one himself? this guy is starting to worry me.)
Hi icemama
What did I learn tonight?
Kris’s horses are all plowed and it has nothing to do with cultivation
Here’s one to brighten secular’s day:
Dreyfuss: Cheney belongs in jail
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20205.html
yesterday up 40% to 1.38
current today:
AMER INTL GROUP INC
(NYSE: AIG)
Real-Time: 1.90 Up 0.52 (37.68%) 9:32AM ET
we (taxpayers) own 80% of AIG (yesterday I said 47%): There is a good chance we will MAKE money on our AIG equity stake… we did not give them money we bought equity.
New Thread
GeoT
I’ve grown orchids in the house. Bright light but no direct sun = pretty much not in the window but a few feet away. I kept a mister by them and misted them every morning with water.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/18/wilkerson-cheney-evil/
“Cheney is evil”
djjl says:
19 March 2009 at 10:10 am
GeoT
I’ve grown orchids in the house. Bright light but no direct sun = pretty much not in the window but a few feet away. I kept a mister by them and misted them every morning with water.
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I researched it last night djjl and the Cymbidiums I bough are meant for cooler climates and actually prefer it outdoors (brought in only in extended cold snaps) My Mom kept hers outside year round down in L.A. I’m in a cooler coastal area in North-central Cal. but I think I’ll be okay.
Here they are: (wish me luck)
http://o.mfcreative.com/f1/file09/objects/a/0/4/9a042648-8350-4da3-94ab-58684dc3d120-0.jpg
djjl says:
19 March 2009 at 10:10 am
_I kept a mister by them and misted them every morning with water.___
is that “Mister djjl”?