This was predictable. As the right feels the heat for the cop killing that just went down, especially since there is evidence that their hate speech helped fuel it. Though the responsibility is still on the guy that morphed into a murdering cop killer.
Oh, and just to note, I was one of the people named and quoted by Mr. Sheppard over at NewsBusters in his round up yesterday. I’m in very good company.
David Schuster, subbing for Chris Mathews, just covered this topic on Hardball.
Oh goodness, I don’t buy into the notion that the right fuels any such actions.
“persumadly”?
Glenn.. it’s “presumably”
“Hello… I think I’m living next to a nut job…his name? uh, Glenn Beck, two n’s” Fox news NY. He says There WILL BE civil unrest”
It would be nice if the news, TV in particular, broke their habit of trying to make us afraid all the time and informed us instead. Beck’s one of the worst when it comes to this sort of thing, but he’s by no means alone or even exceptional.
I don’t have sound on this computer at the moment, so I’m watching the YouTube in silence. On the screen flashes the notion that “all rights come with implied responsibility” (about 2:50 into the video). Yep, Glenn, that includes the rights of a free press.
I agree with you on this one anninca. Each and every one of us is responsible for our own actions. This has been a violent society for a long time now. I don’t believe that you can blame the right or the left.
Safety concerns forced reporter to leave right-wing “tea party” protest
http://tinyurl.com/de79ux
Actually I think they are directly related. Hate speech does have an effect on people. Look how innocuous phrases like “real americans” and “people like us” fueled racism during the elections.
Now we have people making statements like “the focus on Mexican drug wars is Obama’s excuse to take away our guns.” It fuels what some people want to believe.
Michelle Bachman has kicked up the crazy, stating that Obama wants to put us in “forced re-education camps.”
Words matter.
Well, I read in the paper that the guy in Pittsburgh told cops that he heard on one of the radio shows that Obama was going to take guns away from the people. Now who do you suppose he was listening to. It sure as heck wasn’t someone fully informed. Or gee maybe it was someone who was informed but wanted to rile up the ranks.
What Justien said…
Fox ran an interview with one of Poplowski’s friends, where he discussed the “taking away our guns” fear. He also mentioned the “zionist run government but of course Fox failed to call him out on it.
The ADL has already linked Poplowski and Beck.
Beck has no problem labeling this guy a “Neo-Nazi and a “White supremacist” (but NOT a conservative!” but dismisses any possibility that the guy could have watched Beck’s show where Beck says directly “Obama wants to grab your guns” and crazy or not the guy was influenced by the right wing rhetoric. Is it possible? Of course it is. Doesn’t mean it’s Becks fault it just means that Beck needs to take responsibility for the crap that comes out of his mouth and airs on his show.
Beck is out of control… but that’s nothing new.
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Beck and NRA’s LaPierre warn of insidious Obama plot to grab our guns
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/beck-and-nras-lapierre-warn-insidiou
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:32 pm
Words matter.
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where ya’ been?
good post.
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:37 pm
Exactly, and they have posts that he made online about the ‘fema concentration camps’. And you know that came directly from Beck’s show.
Oh goodness, I don’t buy into the notion that the right fuels any such actions.
AnninCA,
So you don’t believe that hate speech matters? I don’t believe in banning it unless it meets the legal requirements, but anyone who says that this type of rhetoric has no effect is kidding themself.
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 6:40 pm
Where have I been? Supporting the economy, you retired slacker.
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:32 pm
Michelle Bachman has kicked up the crazy, stating that Obama wants to put us in “forced re-education camps.”
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don’t forget this gem:
Bachmann: ‘I Want People…Armed And Dangerous On This Issue’ Of Cap And Trade
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/23/bachmann-armed-and-dangerous/
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:44 pm
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 6:40 pm
Where have I been? Supporting the economy, you retired slacker.
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hey! I spent $300 at Home Depot today… I’m doing my part
If I am not anti-semitic I laugh off the “Zionist conspiracy” crap. If I am I feed off of it.
If I am a homophobe I lather at “gay marriage is destroying America” talk. If I am not a homophobe I simply turn the channel.
If I am a racist I bring my Obama monkey doll to a Palin rally to hear her talk about him not “being like us.”
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:47 pm
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Right, this guy was tilting hard to crazy from the get go but the reckless invectives that come out of Beck, Hannity, Rush (Savage, Bruce) etc. on a daily basis are just the tail wind these cooks need to go from crazy to cop killers. That’s my opinion. “Inciting a riot” is a crime isn’t it?
okay, crazy cooks, aka kooks.
Here’s the clip of David Schuster going after the right-wing gun guy on Hardball.
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001121/
justlen says:
06 April 2009 at 6:37 pm
The ADL has already linked Poplowski and Beck.
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Poplowski is getting hero status down in the underbelly of the country I’m sure. When you get waaay out on the extreme right, government is bad, military is bad, even police are bad…
Its also funny on the MSM is trying to pawn this whole thing off on the ‘dog peeing’ portion of the story.
Audiegrl says:
06 April 2009 at 6:59 pm
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LMAO! did you hear that AG?
they’re not “assault weapons” they’re “sport utility rifles”
priceless.
OT, but of great interest. A hispanic man who translates for Focus on the Family on hispanic TV has been arrested here for trying to set up sex with an underaged girl on the internet. It was a policeman. Good ole Christian fundamentalist, boy are they ever role models.
Pitchforks and Pistols
“Lately I’ve been consuming as much conservative media as possible… They feel isolated, angry, betrayed and besieged. And some of their “leaders” seem to be trying to mold them into militias.
By CHARLES M. BLOW
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?ref=opinion
Please don’t act like “hate” speech, or whatever you want to label it, only happens from the right. If anyone followed what was said after the Oakland police officers were shot dead a couple of weeks ago the language used was equally vitriolic.
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 7:03 pm
yeah, I heard it. Phuleeeze. You know where I stand on that topic.
I actually like the line up today/tonight..David Schuster.Ed Schulz.Keith O.Rachel Maddow.
MSNBC is really holding the right to the fire today.
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:09 pm
If anyone followed what was said after the Oakland police officers were shot dead a couple of weeks ago the language used was equally vitriolic.
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so left wingers were bad mouthing who in Oakland? I missed that. Did someone say they were “glad” the cops got shot or something? Black Panthers maybe? (founded in Oakland)
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:09 pm
Please don’t act like “hate” speech, or whatever you want to label it, only happens from the right
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btw Kris I said the far right don’t like government, military or cops… and you could easily apply that to some far left groups as well, at least some from the 60′s not sure about now.
Exactly GeoT and no it wasn’t Black Panthers.
Audiegrl says:
06 April 2009 at 7:17 pm
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Ed just had to have Lars Larson on his first show… ruined it for me
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:09 pm
Kris, I entirely agree with you. That Charles Blow guy summed it up well. Basically he said “I don’t care if it’s left or right, when you scrape the bottom of the barrel you come up with some scary stuff.”
Look at the left wing, which thought Obama was their savior for every fringe liberal policy. They are just as bad.
My only point is when people are predisposed to believing something hearing it mentioned in the mass press is validating for these people.
It’s gasoline on a fire.
Time for dinner, have fun y’all.
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:20 pm
Exactly GeoT and no it wasn’t Black Panthers.
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well I agree, that’s just as bad as anything Beck etc. come up with. But the national reach of the right wing media put them in a special category for my derision. They do have undue influence.
Thanks justlen.
The problem is, on both sides, no one wants to claim the FAR extreme groups, but they are part of the spectrum and are as plugged in to media and the internet as everyone else in between. Like justlen said “words matter” choose them carefully. Beck seems intent on inflaming an artificial rebellion of some sort and its fueled by “anger” and “fear”.
Yeah Geo – Glen Beck has really gotten over the top. I think he is full of himself with his new found “success” and is a crossing a line that he will pay for (I don’t mean that as hate speech).
The fringe lunatics that came out in support of the Oakland cop killer were from the Uhuru group. They are the same group that protested at that townhall in St. Petersburg, FL that Obama held during the campaign. They are a very radical group. they have a furniture resale store on Grand in Oakland that rich white people from Piedmont and Rockridge donate furniture to, in an attempt to assuage some guilt. A small amount of research would show that Goodwill or the Salvation Army is a much better choice for donating.
Both the left and the right have their radicals.
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:30 pm
I think he is full of himself with his new found “success” and is a crossing a line that he will pay for (I don’t mean that as hate speech).
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I know what you mean although FOX management doesn’t seem to have much of a governor on their rhetoric flow so I doubt anything will change.
OMG did anyone see Biden’s pitch at Camden? He better stick to….huh,…whatever.
Sorry I know that was way OT but couldn’t help myself.
Well I am off to enjoy Michigan St. v North Carolina. Go spartans!!
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 7:30 pm
Exactly. But of course, Faux News has been showing footage of them for a couple of weeks, and they NEVER say that they are a fringe group. They just like showing Black people saying disparaging things about the police and portraying it as example of the left wing.
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 7:30 pm
Both the left and the right have their radicals.
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now, you’ll hear an honest admission like that here, but I doubt any right wing blogs are copping to this guy being “one of them” so to speak. Or maybe they are… you check
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:34 pm
OMG did anyone see Biden’s pitch at Camden? He better stick to….huh,…whatever.
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“just a bit ….way high”
Kris:
I’m taking Sate as well.
audigrl – last comment and then I really have to go. It wasn’t just Fox, it was on alot of stations and many radio shows. Although I appreciate maxadog’s info I am not under the impression that everyone interviewed was a part of the group referred to.
The things said were awful and if I were a family member of one of the officers who died I would have -0- tolerance or respect for each and every one who expressed such hate and violence.
Right on GeoT. I think it should be a great game.
Audiegrl says:
06 April 2009 at 7:36 pm
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As a white chick that lives in the Bay Area, I see that group as essentially a black supremist group. At least the Panther’s had some philosophy behind their actions.
It’s too bad that Faux doesn’t use their powers for good. They have a huge audience, wouldn’t it be nice if they would actually report on the facts, or take the time to educate the public on the issues. But then again, it would be nice if any of the MSM would do that.
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:42 pm
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I’m not saying that everyone was part of that group, but the scenes being shown on tv are the Uhuru folks.
There are plenty of people that are just against police in general that came out, but as a whole, the community supported the police. A good friend of mine lives less than a 1/2 mile from the scene and I spend a lot of time in the area.
Yeah maxadog it would be nice. I get tired of reading and hearing all things Palin, Levi Johnston, Bristol and the sister-in-law. It’s constant at CNN and at their web page. I don’t even check in there much because it is so ridiculous. They have lost their credibility as far as I am concerned as a news organization. No wonder their ratings have fallen.
See you guys later.
kris says:
06 April 2009 at 7:42 pm
Fox beat that story and the footage to death, which of course is part of their agenda.
That group said horrible things after the fact. What the right-wing is doing, is inciting people to violence.
During the primary I learned to my utter shock how vicious the left can be and sexist both in the MSM and on the blogs. It caused a permanent shift in my view of some individuals.
The right has always specialized in this type of talk and now they have their own network.
Justlen is right…. words matter on all sides.
As for Glen Beck he is a meltdown waiting to happen.Part of the ugliness of our culture is some people take in things like car wrecks,fires, police killings ( Koz was joking about it) as entertainment. They do the same with fragile celebrities, just watch them self destruct. It will be the same with Beck. He is a pitiful mess.
While we are addressing irresponsible behavior…people need to lay off that poor Bristol Palin. She is just a kid who unfortunately has a mother whose ambition means more to her than her children.She did not choose to be in the national headlines or to have her youthful mistakes become the punchline of jokes. I think it is cruel. Earlier people where discussing WWJD..well he would not pick on a defenseless teenager.
Lake Lady says:
06 April 2009 at 8:04 pm
It will be the same with Beck. He is a pitiful mess.
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agree LL. he’s on the verge, as they say. Like I said before, with his history (addiction) you would think he’d be more compassionate and reasonable but he’s gone the other way…he’s hooked on crazy.
Lake Lady says:
06 April 2009 at 8:11 pm
While we are addressing irresponsible behavior…people need to lay off that poor Bristol Palin. She is just a kid who unfortunately has a mother whose ambition means more to her than her children.She did not choose to be in the national headlines.
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I think Sarah Palin should be called out for trashing the “son-in-law” in the media as well, fair is fair. To a certain extent she is feeding the media monster herself.
Whatever “rationals” Poplawski may offer for his actions are neither here nor there. It’s impossible to try to make sense of the ravings of the insane.
That said, I don’t like the way the left is using this tragedy as a means to silence Obama’s critics anymore than I liked the right using 9/11 to silence Bush’s critics.
This has nothing to do with Obama, or guns, or his mother’s urinating dog. This is a tragedy stemming from mental illness. Period.
JoeCHI says:
06 April 2009 at 8:38 pm
That said, I don’t like the way the left is using this tragedy as a means to silence Obama’s critics anymore than I liked the right using 9/11 to silence Bush’s critics.
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I haven’t seen anyone trying to silence anyone else. (please give an example) My suggestion for Beck and the rest of them is “choose your words carefully” especially now that it is plain to see that words matter.
That’s just good advice.
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 8:58 pm
I haven’t seen anyone trying to silence anyone else. (please give an example).
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“My suggestion for Beck and the rest of them is “choose your words carefully” especially now that it is plain to see that words matter.”
GeoT, 4-6-09
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“All Americans have to watch what they say and watch what they do.”
Ari Fleischer, 9-26-01, in response to Bill Maher and other critics of Bush post 9/11
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You’ve proven my point, perfectly, GeoT. Thank you!
OMG! I just watched the Hardball segment with the 2nd Amendment dude. He was straight out of central casting. Talk about a know-nothing, dweeby, lives with his mother, GOP talking point spouting wingnut.
I think that Phil Gramm, the head of MSNBC (I think that’s his name) needs to “release the hounds” and tell Ed, David, Chris, Keith and Rachel to saddle up and ride.
JoeCHI says:
06 April 2009 at 9:32 pm
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You’ve proven my point, perfectly, GeoT. Thank you!
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okay so you think the Beck segment with the NRA saying “Obama wants to come and grab your guns” is responsible journalism?
By “choose your words carefully” I guess I really mean “tell the truth” as a start.
If you want to partner with Glenn Beck in his “criticism” of the President, have at it.
OT everyone, but here’s a very interesting site that shows what the Republicans are up to.
http://genuinegopmom.blogspot.com/
They even have a poll for Sarah, and there are several questions to answer. So I participated in the poll.
Also learned at the Mudflats, which by the way is now http://www.mudflats.net that there is a new (well probably not new, just that I’d never seen it before) abbreviation. It’s C4P. Anyone know what it means. It was in the comment section of the morning thread.
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 9:44 pm
OMG! I just watched the Hardball segment with the 2nd Amendment dude. He was straight out of central casting. Talk about a know-nothing, dweeby, lives with his mother, GOP talking point spouting wingnut.
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horned rim glasses, the whole nine yards
Betsy:
C4P
Conservatives 4 Palin
“All Religions Are Welcome in the Palin Revolution”
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/03/c4p-to-beliefnet-all-religions-are.html
JoeCHI says:
06 April 2009 at 9:32 pm
“All Americans have to watch what they say and watch what they do.”
Ari Fleischer, 9-26-01, in response to Bill Maher and other critics of Bush post 9/11/01.’
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Just 2 weeks after 9/11 I think most people would have agreed with Ari Fleischer btw.
Being careful and thinking before you speak is not a bad idea either, it’s called self-control.
Hmmm. So the right is hollerin’ that Obama is coming for your guns, and the left is screamiunmg that it ain’t so.
Whats missing, really, or perhaps I just missed it, is direct quotes from Obama about where he stands on gun control, gun ownership, so called “assault weapons”, and this fantasy we are being fed about our gun shows “arming the drug cartels”.
So, I’ve read a bunch of opinions here on this issue, but I haven’t seen much in the way of substantive information about where Obama REALLY stands on this issue. Someone wanna clue me in with something other than bluster?
And as far as Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Inga Barks, Levin, Savage, etc go, bullshit, venom, and divisive partisan wedge issues are what feeds their bank accounts. It doesn’t matter what Obama does, these people will find an angle of attack, because thats what their listeners want. Singling out one or the other for any sort of rational debate is stupid, because rationality isn’t their stock in trade. You could pick these people’s hateful bullshit apart until hell freezes over, and it wouldn’t change a thing. Your derision is what they want, for it amplifies their message, and pounds the wedge in further. And while the people are bickering along carefully nurtured lines of division, both sides of the camp up high are giving us a royal screwing.
But regardless, are there any public statements out there, from Obama, about his vision in regards to gun ownership? Inquiring minds would like to know.
LOL Geo, you must know every site on the internet. I’m impressed.
Historically there has always been “yellow journalism” but the masses were not exposed to it on an 24/7 cycle. Our modern culture is awash with sensationlism,unbalanced people are able to connect with and communicate with other unbalanced people to a remarkable degree.
It is frightening really. If things get worse and civil unreset does happen I’m afraid that there are many powder kegs set to blow. As the right fractures the far right has fewer boundaries.
It has always seemed to me that while the left has it’s own share of loonies they are of a more harmless variety like the “pink ladies” or PETA. I guess there are a few aggressive ones like the guy who runs around the ocean ramming whalers. Even then you have to be a whaler to worry about him. Also the left tends not to be armed to the teeth.
Betsy says:
06 April 2009 at 10:12 pm
LOL Geo, you must know every site on the internet. I’m impressed.
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it twasn’t difficult– just plugged in C4P (I had a hunch what it was anyway)
btw: I’ve been checking out the mudflats site since the name “Palin” hit the scene.
POA
For the information you are requesting, please visit
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/
4th bullet point under Crime and Law Enforcement
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 9:44 pm
OMG! I just watched the Hardball segment with the 2nd Amendment dude.
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my favorite was “they’re not assault weapons they’re “sport utility rifles” (he said with a straight face)
POA…lot of truth in that last comment. It may just be ignorance but I don’t really know where Obama is on weapons either.I know where WJC and HRC are on the subject and Al Gore and John Kerry. I think I might have heard Obama give a “word fog”( as Taylor calls them) answer once during the campaign but I’m not sure what he said.
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 10:18 pm
4th “bullet” point under Crime and Law Enforcement
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good one
Thanks Max…I’ll go take a look.
Does that mean that they would reinstate the expired ban on assualt weapons?
for the google challenged:
Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/urban_policy/
Well… the last kitty just came in the flap(the flap in in a window right next to my computer desk)I need to lock it a go to bed. I’m up early tomorrow for an election. Poll workers have to be there at 5am.
Night all~
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 10:26 pm
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I think its important that people become familiar with whitehouse.gov, its got a lot of information and if there is ever any question where Obama and Biden stand on an issue, it is right there.
There are also links to recovery.gov and the middle class task force website.
P.S. Godspeed to Keith’s mom. It was a lovely tribute on his show this evening.
Here is one site I found that APPEARS to be non-partisan, non agenda. But I cannot vouch for it.
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
If it is credible, the following gives me pause….
“Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:”
*Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
*Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
*Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
*Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
A ban on “all forms of semi-automatic weapons” would include a HUGE amount of sportsman’s weapons. Almost ALL my shotguns would be banned, as would a couple of my rifles that I use for elk, deer, etc.
maxadog says:
06 April 2009 at 10:30 pm
GeoT says:
06 April 2009 at 10:26 pm
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I think its important that people become familiar with whitehouse.gov, its got a lot of information and if there is ever any question where Obama and Biden stand on an issue, it is right there.
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you’re right about that.. it’s all there.
POA…I think they mean the kind that kill people not elk or dear.
My Dad suffered a lot of confusion the last couple years of his life. Kept hearing rat fights in the walls! My brothers had wisely taken his hunting guns home with them. While my Mom was at the beauty shop he called a taxi and had it take him to a gun dealer. They sold him a gun!! The man was obviously not right!!! My brothers got that one too, they said it was a horrible gun,badly balanced. There should be stronger restrictions!
Now I really need to go~
PissedOffAmerican says:
06 April 2009 at 10:30 pm
Here is one site I found that APPEARS to be non-partisan, non agenda. But I cannot vouch for it.
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the fact they use:
Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.241-242 Aug 1, 2008
as a source does not inspire confidence. Plus the 1998 data is 11 years old, I’d go with the current Whitehouse.gov as a source
As far as Geo sneaking in that snide little “google challenged” bullshit, perhaps the “specifics challenged” Geo will tell me what a “commonsense measure” is. Or perhaps Geo thinks its ok to say nothing when someone asks you to say something. Is it a “common sense measure” to take away my favorite .410 shotgun, that I’ve had since I was twelve, because it is a “semi-automatic”?
Geo, I didn’t ask for vague political horseshit about “common sense measures”, I asked for solid information. So take your sarcastic “google challenged” comment and shove it. You’re a real jackass, bud.
PissedOffAmerican says:
06 April 2009 at 10:41 pm
As far as Geo sneaking in that snide little “google challenged” bullshit, perhaps the “specifics challenged” Geo
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guess what? you shot off your mouth again. As anyone around here will tell you I joke all the time, and that was meant in a lighthearted vain…
I’m done with you. 2 strikes you’re out.
06 April 2009 at 10:44 pm
PissedOffAmerican says:
06 April 2009 at 10:41 pm
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although it doesn’t surprise me that the concept of common sense escapes you.
ciao.
“POA…I think they mean the kind that kill people not elk or dear”
Then the part where it says “Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons” is inaccurate?
Look, I’m not pickin’ bone, or making waves here, but it seems we are a bit “fact challenged” in this conversation. And if we are going to start bandying vague platitudes like “common sense measures” to define Obama’s policies, it doesn’t exactly put the matter to rest, does it? Whose “comkmon sense? The inner city mother whose child was killed by a stolen Glock, or the rural mom who is cooking the pheasant her son just bagged while out in the field buckin’ oat hay?
“I’m done with you. 2 strikes you’re out”
Thank God. I never could abide fools.
POA -
I can assure you that Geo wasn’t addressing you. He is often the research go to person for many commenters on this site. Case in point, Betsy’s question RE: C4P as stated above.
It ain’t about you dude. You’ve got serious anger management issues and I think Obama should take your .410 from you, as you’re clearly not rational.
In truth, can any of you, with a straight face, say that the Whitehouse statement that was linked to by Maxadog actually defines a solid Obama position on gun control?
Don’t misinterpret me. I appreciate the link. But really, the paragraph says abosulutely nothing. There are a myriad of ways to “childproof” guns, some feasable and economically attainable, and others that will drive the cost of guns through the ceiling. Perhaps legislation demanding safety courses are a better answer? Or laws that mandate locked gun safes? Which form of “childproofing” constitutes a “common sense measure”?
Honestly, I really don’t know where Obama stands on this issue. But I’m not buying this horseshit about our guns arming the drug cartels. So it gives me pause as I ponder the motive behind this particular fantasy being marketed to the American public.
“I can assure you that Geo wasn’t addressing you”
Oh bullshit.
Maxadog, do you REALLY think that vague political bit of posturing at White House.Gov says anything concrete?
Anyone wanna take a stab at it, and tell me what the hell a “common sense measure” is?
“I think its important that people become familiar with whitehouse.gov, its got a lot of information and if there is ever any question where Obama and Biden stand on an issue, it is right there”
Whew, well, thats a relief, knowing my 2nd amendment rights are gonna be subject to someone’s (who?) common sense measures. I mean hey, if Washington has shown us anything, its shown us that it is ran by a whole bunch of born leaders exercising world class “common sense”, right?
Rest easy, America, common sense is riding to the rescue.
POA
You really need to chill. GeoT is a great asset to this blog, and is not above apologizing when he is wrong or has offended someone.
Audiegirl, Geo has acted like a gnat in my face since I got here. I’m burnt out on it. If he has something substantive to say, I’m all ears. But so far all I hear is buzzing.
Now. Think about it. Here we have a thread that is damned near 100 posts strong, trying to rebut Beck’s fearmongering about Obama coming to get our guns, and not one single person here, including myself, seems to know enough about Obama’s gun stance to offer an informative or substantive rebuttal to Beck’s fearmongering. I’ll tell you what, you’re gonna have to do a hellova sight better than that if you want to counter the formidable RW propaganda machine of Beck, Hannity, Coulter, Levin, Barks, Ingraham, Savage, etc.
POA, I’m beginning to think you are either a far right loony or someone that just wants to cause a problem. When someone gives you an answer you are on the attack mode, constantly.
By the way everyone, the latest news is that an assassination attempt on the President was foiled in Turkey days before the President arrived there. The man they arrested was Syrian. Makes you wonder how many of these they stop every day.
POA, I don’t know where I heard this, but at the risk of your attacks I will tell you that he specifically has talked about AK-47s. Now, a very good friend of our families, he’s a police chief, agrees with Obama on AK-47s. That is the only automatic weapon that he feels needs to be controlled, i.e. gun shows where they don’t check much of anything, and irreputable gun dealers. And I’m sorry but I disagree with you about guns going across the border. We have a mexican friend who lives in a border town and they have a ranch across the border in Mexico. She told me that the guns, mainly assault weapons are being smuggled into Mexico from the US. Napolitano has said that they will be using the x-ray cameras on all vehicles going into Mexico. So with that I will quietly say good night to all.
And just yesterday you said you thought I was Arab or Palestinian. Betsy, to be frank, I really don’t care what you think. I’ve raised some valid questions here, and I deon’t see any answers forthcoming. Quite honestly, I know your comment about AK-47s is made in good faith, and is meant to be helpful, but it is really superficial bullshit. It doesn’t answer any questions. Do you actually think that any of us here believe that Obama supports citizens owning AK-47s? Of course he is against it. As he should be.
And are you really so naive as to think that the drug cartels need American gun shows in order to arm themselves? Such a premise is ridiculous. Its sheer bullshit. Small arms can be procured in a myriad of ways, from a myriad of different countries, represented by a myriad of money grubbing arms merchants.
answer to yesterdays trivia question is:
“Ron Paul”
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“POA,Whew, well, thats a relief, knowing my 2nd amendment rights are gonna be subject to someone’s (who?) common sense measures. I mean hey, if Washington has shown us anything, its shown us that it is ran by a whole bunch of born leaders exercising world class “common sense”, right?
Rest easy, America, common sense is riding to the rescue.”
Spoken like a true repugnantklan fearmonger. Or maybe you write for Beck, limpwithnoballs, Jindal or LaPierre?
I know, those five Mossad agents that were dancing and filming 9/11 after warning the jews not to go to work left behind a secret plan for President Obama to dissarm the MERican public and put them all into FEMS re-education camps??!
“POA Is it a “common sense measure” to take away my favorite .410 shotgun, that I’ve had since I was twelve, because it is a “semi-automatic”?”
Only if you believe that’s what is intended proving that you are mental and therefore inelligable to own a firearm.
POA: After reading all your posts I have come to the conclusion that you are someone who isn’t a fan of Obama. Case in point is the whole gun meme you spewed on this thread. I could waste my time and go back and link speech after speech were Obama made it perfectly clear that he wasn’t going to take everyone’s guns away. He has stated he would support the ban on assault weapons and tighter hand gun controls. If you really wanted to know were Obama stood on the gun issue, you would take the time and look yourself. I as a gun owner have no fears that Obama is coming for my guns, so I find this argument just a red herring by the right to scare people. It seems to be working with you.
I can honestly say I have never seen a blog community with so many shallow ignorant assholes in the comment section. At no time here have I said “Obama is coming to take my guns”, nor do I believe that to be the case. But not ONE of you ignorant jackasses have raised any points, offered any fact based argument, shown any substantive proof that would counter the assertions of the hard right.
I feel for Taylor. No wonder no one has heard of this blog.
Reread the thread, assholes. Are people really proud of your shallow ignorant horseshit?
Unfrikkin’ believable. How could Taylor amass such a community of buffoons?
“POA Is it a “common sense measure” to take away my favorite .410 shotgun, that I’ve had since I was twelve, because it is a “semi-automatic”?”
“POA At no time here have I said “Obama is coming to take my guns”, nor do I believe that to be the case.”
Go take your meds and then fuck off.
I hope I’m not resurrecting a dead thread. POA, I think your concern would resonate more if whitehouse.gov had ended with a simple call for “common sense” reforms. But they added some specifics: childproofing, closing the gun show loophole, and making the assault weapons ban permanent. It stands to reason that if your gun was not proscribed under the Clinton-era ban, it wouldn’t under an Obama ban. More specifics are needed, to be sure. That will come in due time. He will have some difficult negotiations with Republicans and conservative Democrats, and he’s smart enough not to make major concessions before those negotiations are underway.
Re: GeoT, you really should not be so quick to take offense. He did not mean any harm with the “Google” comment. As others have said, he is the resident search engine/tech go-to guy on this blog. That’s all he was doing — making it easier for folks to continue the discussion without having to make a detour to whitehouse.gov. By the way, I say this as one who thinks he can be snide at times. He and I have gotten into it about that. But I don’t see it here.
But in the mean time, go take your meds and fuck off.
ogenec, the other posters here would do well to learn from you.
Adios, you ignorant assholes.
angels81
I think you got it right. I started noticing that a day or so ago. When “Pissy” had trouble comprehending what was being posted, I felt that there was a different agenda at play. (Perhaps a reintroduction of a true troll). It felt pretty good to take back my control and simply ignore the convoluted, errant, and vacuous comments.
By the way, and not to get any deeper into a topic I don’t really enjoy discussing, this whole question of regulation shows how wrong-headed the Supreme Court’s decision in Heller is. The Second Amendment says: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
I’m pretty sure that’s a collective right, not an individual right (notwithstanding the fevered protestations of gun owners). But assuming Scalia and others are right, then NO regulations or restrictions — no matter how minimal — are permitted, as they would “infringe” the individual right. In other words, once you determine it’s an individual right, you have to agree that the right is absolute.
But even Scalia admits the potential for reasonable regulation. His decision doesn’t go as far as his logic should take him. Scalia is a smart man, and surely thought about the implications of his argument and decided to pull back. That’s why I don’t respect the decision, and believe it will be overturned in 10-20 years. There’s no logic to it; it’s completely made up.
(By the way, most folks try to reconcile this discrepancy by arguing that rights are not unlimited, and are always subject to some restrictions. Doesn’t fly — the 4th Amendment, for example, talks about “unreasonable searches and seizures,” which is why the right is limited. But the 2nd Amendment has no such limitation — it says the right “shall not be infringed,” period.)
What would happen if my “collective rights” approach had won out? It would not mean that gun owners would lose their guns. Rather, it would become an issue for the several states (an approach I thought conservatives loved — another hypocrisy). I would have expected the Western and Mid-Western states to pass fairly generous laws. And the DC ban would have withstood legal challenge. Folks who thought it excessive could have moved across the river to VA, where you can carry a concealed weapon with a permit. End of story.
That sound you hear is ogenec stepping down from his soapbox
ogenec says:
07 April 2009 at 10:23 am
A well “regulated” Militia… how is that interpreted? funny how close “regulated” and “regulations” are to each other.
p.s. I was called an asshole 26 times yesterday, a personal best
Man, I’m glad I ducked out of this thread when I did last night.
justlen says:
07 April 2009 at 10:36 am
Man, I’m glad I ducked out of this thread when I did last night.
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LOL I should have followed you.
I gotz faith inya GeoT, I KNOWZ ya kin beat it!!!
Methinks POS, oops, POA was on a sugar “Rush” following his stellar performance on Hardball last night.
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
07 April 2009 at 10:50 am
I gotz faith inya GeoT, I KNOWZ ya kin beat it!!!
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as soon as I hit him with his rabid anti-Israel (borderline antisemitic) postings he started letting the foul language fly. I don’t take it personally he does exactly the same thing over at Washington Note. (and gets the same reaction from posters over there.)
bbl
GeoT
Were you really?
djjl says:
07 April 2009 at 11:57 am
GeoT
Were you really?
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maybe not 26 times, more than a few less than a dozen I’ll say.
“as soon as I hit him with his rabid anti-Israel (borderline antisemitic) postings”
I’m pretty sure anyone who’s read my contributions over the months knows I am in no way an Israel uber alles kinda guy. But when he/she/it started that dancing Mossad agents that phoned the jews not to go to work at the WTC,THEN he goes off on the “Bamma gon take ma gunz” trip he/she/it pretty much pegged themselves as a troll.
Reality sucks enough without the lunatic fringe stinkin up the joint.
But I am SURE you’ll beat 26 times in one day!!
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
07 April 2009 at 12:57 pm
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you and I both have criticism for Israel and they don’t deserve “scared cow” status in our foreign policy… what POA is spouting is in a different category, calling Israel “as bad as as Hitler” etc. (it gets worse)
There is no rational dialogue with someone with extra-extreme views like that.
QWell, considering how I have NEVER, on ANY blog said that, you jhust underscored what assholes you people really are. Its conmical really, on just about EVERY threade I posted on herem, you ignorant jackases have had to CREATE straw positions to attribute to me as a form of derision. Go ahead, you blathering jackass, show this blog ONE SINGLE INSTANCE of me stating that”dancing Mossad agents phoned the jews not to go to work at the WTC “, on ANY blog, at ANY time.
Gads, what pack of assholes.
PissedOffAmerican says:
07 April 2009 at 2:19 pm
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glad you checked in: for the record did you say this?:
Posted by PissedOffAmerican, Dec 31 2008, 10:01AM – Link
“There will be no peace in the Middle East as long as we support, subsidize, abet, and excuse Israel. Israel is every bit as dangerous to the Muslim community as Hitler was to the Jewish community. They are no less monstrous, no less ideologically evil, no less genocidal, no less bigoted, and no less criminal than Nazi Germany was in the thirties and forties.”
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