Any commander that behaves in an autocratic, unfeeling manner without considering the welfare of his troops is bound to fail. In extreme cases like the last stages of Vietnam it even led to fragging and a complete breakdown of the Army. Recognizing this, General Odierno made a wise move. I expect Chucklehead will himself be moving, next. You just don’t treat your people that way and get away with it.

Oh, and by the way, since you missed it, this is a free for all, open topic thread, POA. Additionally, it’s *your* choice to post around here or not. If you don’t like the company there are many other sites from which to choose.

Imhotep, yes, secularh is a veteran.

P.S. POA, go fuck yersef

Apparently General Odierno, who isn’t ignorant of military law either, decided otherwise.

news report, Dec 25:
The top United States commander in Iraq, Gen. Ray Odierno, intends to rescind a policy that had placed pregnant soldiers at risk of discipline.

Do as you will, it’s all about you…the rest of us are just lucky enough to be allowed to read your irrefutable words of wisdom, right? Get off your gilded steed and mix with the commoners. You are not special here.

The doggies were *so* cute, kris!

Thats hillarious. I post a diary, and Secular ALWAYS jumps in with some excremental ad homninem, and you want ME to “engage those who post here with a bit of respect”. Gee, is this where I adopt Secular’s brand of respect, and tell you to “go fuck yourself”?

“MOVE ON PAST THEM”? Post after post of horsehit, off topic, venomous, nasty spew. Far far far more despicable, vulgar, distracting, insulting and toxic than ANYTHING I ever posted here and was subsequently banned for.

Your attitude on this is inexplicable to me. Why even bother to preface threads with “Keep all comments on topic. All others will be deleted” if you have no intention of making good on it?

Bottom line, Taylor, Secular is spreading shit all over your comment section, and your tolerance of it has gone beyond the point of him just making an ass of himself. The whole comment section stinks from Secular’s mess.

IMO, maybe it’s the condescending tone you take that grinds secular’s gears. If you don’t like the “clique” then kick rocks, what makes you stick around? I appreciate your input here although I cannot give you feedback on the U.S./Israel posts you are famous for simply because I’m ignorant to the minutiae of that particular discussion. That doesn’t mean I don’t gather good information from your posts, it just means I have nothing useful to contribute to the conversation.

I hope you stick around, but I suggest you lose the “my opinion is the only one that matters” stance and engage those who post here with a bit of respect else quit complaining about those like secular who call you out on it.

Staying focused on ISSUES and debating through them would be better for everyone.

Merry Christmas, pmichael, alphonsegaston, lynnette and everyone else.

secularhumanizinevoluter says:
25 December 2009 at 9:17 am

Best to you, sir. It’s a great group, “crowd,” whatever you want to call it around here, as I include the lurkers I hear from every day.

What “crowd”?

Looks like a “clique” to me, and it seems to be shrinking with each passing week. Perhaps not being able to engage in anything other than wading through Secular’s shit has something to do with it.

secularhumanizinevoluter says:
26 December 2009 at 12:54 pm

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I agree with Secular 100%, when you sign a military contract the government OWNS you lock, stock, and barrel. I remember my Company Commander warning us that if we were off duty and got a sunburn that affected our ability to carry out our assigned duties, we would be subject to disciplinary action.

Becoming pregnant falls in the same category. Pregnancy obviously affects your ability to carry out the duties assigned to you, period. You belong to the government, you have no rights per se according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice…for as long as your contract is valid with the military, the UCMJ is the whole of the law.

You can extend this to DADT, when you sign the contract, those are the terms you accept. When you sign on the dotted line, you forfeit the right to complain about it for as long as the government holds your contract.

The military isn’t a Democracy, you don’t get a say in which rules apply to you and which ones don’t. Secular is spot on about this being PC gone crazy, people have lost their minds.

From the articles I could find there was a general review of the orders governing opperations and his order was not included in the new one. Not quite the same thing.
On what grounds would you have them “bust this idiot Maj Gen”?
That he was trying to actually have everyone pull their own weight and live up to the reponsibility they took on when they joined? So all the OTHERS who wear the uniform now get to pick up THEIR slak.
This is the first time I have ever said this, but this is PC run amuck.
Don bacon, you are obviously ignorant of military law and individual soldiers responsibilities and obligations incured when they take the oath.

. . .any female soldier who gets pregnant would be punished . . .I fully support Cucolo’s policy. . .Women sign up for the job. They need to do their duty.

Why not extend this policy to all women everywhere? WalMart clerk gets a baby bump, it’s a $500 fine and a month in the slammer. Bunch of whiners, if you ask me. Next thing you know they’ll be wanting equal pay, and stuff like that.

Women sign up for the job. They need to do their duty, everywhere.

As for the women in the military. ABSO-FU*KIN-LUTELY hold them responsible for pregnancy unless rape or failur of contraception is involved.
For the information of the mentally chalanged when you join, voluntairily join the military you give up certain rights and place yourself under the jurisdiction of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
They most certainly CAN be held responsible for willfully disobeying an order.

As for this tool being the arbitor of who is or isn’t a “liberal”, “progressive”,”feminist” or whatever. How VERY nice of the child(we are talking emotional maturity here) to GIVE us poor rubes the correct definition. Which just happens to be HIS/HER/IT’S definition. How very nice.
I’m just curious if there is actually a place they spew this tripe and AREN’T thought to be anything but steryotypical tools?
To EVERYONE, tools and sane alike, MERRY,MERRY!
P.S. Just got back from seeing the new Holmes movie…save your money.

Off to grandma’s house. Melly melly Christmas !

I never spoke of any threats, I don’t make threats. I am not a “he.” Not sure that it makes any difference in our exchanges here. You just seem to look for the worst interpretation in many of the posts here.

Sanity is threatening someone over the internet, while claiming to be a member of an infamously murderous batch of biker thugs? Thats “sanity”? In your book, maybe. And I’m supposed to wish such “sane” people “Merry Christmas”?

And your grip on sanity? Unable to recognize how insane it is to threaten someone over the internet, while claiming to be a member of an infamously murderous batch of biker thugs, is somehow indicative of a sound mind? Decrying my often sarcastic manner of rebuttal during debate, while ignoring some asshole’s act of threatening a poster with bodily harm is reason to consider you healthy in mind?

And Secular’s idea that contrived illiteracy and a steady stream of off topic, shallow, and venomous invective somehow comprises intelligent and sane rebuttal????

Like I said, a heartfelt Merry Christmas to the sane members of this blog community, of which there seem to be a few.

I don’t know what people secretly believe but I do know that women have a great deal of control over birth control. I also know that there can be rape and birth control failure (like antibiotics interfering with oral birth control, etc. Women who choose to be in the armed forces must realize that it is each soldier’s responsibility for the share of “readiness.” Yeah, I think women shoulder a disproportionate responsibility for sexual activity – but a woman is a woman. That’s just how the biology works.

I think your statement is generally preposterous.

Well, considering the chauvanistic environment that women in the service find themselves, I’d say the 95% of the brass secretly believe that a woman getting pregnent IS fullfilling her duty, particularly if they do so while making stew and sewing buttons on uniforms.

Merry Christmas to the sane members of this blog community.