Comments on: Britain Reportedly Denied Abdulmatallab Entry

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:46:24 +0000

Carl Rove, Cheney and the gang thank ya’ll!

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:45:28 +0000

“One could only speculate what is causing this drift. Is it because Obama is president and not Clinton or something more unsettling?”

What I find unsettling is the lunatic fringe of the left crawling out from under their rocks and shouting their conspiracy theories about the CIA,9/11,Zionism and Israel running America,and a general condemnation of EVERYTHING America has, does and WILL do anywhere on the planet.
They are writing the copy for the repugnantklans next round of politicol adds and as always will be using this strident scree from the weeds to hammer Democrats as “WEAK ON DEFENSE”

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:40:28 +0000

“We can discuss how and when it went off the rails and who caused it to go off the rails if you’d like. Or we can pretend that everything about our foreign policy is just A-OK, and it’s just that nobody understands poor old us, is all. Anybody up to an adult discussion? Peace”

Oh gosh Teacher…could we?! I mean, would you PLEEEEEAZ conscent to instruct poor dumby ol us and share your sage WISDOM?!
Cause we are such helpless, dumb lil lambs in the woods and sooooo lost.
WO is us, WO,WO! PLEASE save us and show us the error of our ways!

By: Taylor Marsh

Taylor Marsh — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:31:50 +0000

Jymn says:
27 December 2009 at 3:20 pm

Are you kidding? Pres. Obama isn’t even a factor in this discussion. Partisan blinders makes people stupid.

It is not wrong to suggest BEHAVIOR profiling at airports when we can’t seem to stop single individuals that are on terrorist lists, but are not on no-fly lists. At the very least he should have been subject to further security scrutiny.

Marie205 says:
27 December 2009 at 1:53 pm

Important comment, Marie205.

As secularh notes, I’ve been consistent on this issue for years.

By: Imhotep

Imhotep — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 01:08:47 +0000

Let me be perfectly clear…..I do NOT hate Israel. I do NOT hate Jews. I LOVE America. I do NOT hate anybody. I have real problems with militant Zionists and Scoop Jackson neocons. I don’t like warmongers or most anybody who believes that the use of violence solves problems. The foreign policy of the United States of America long ago went off the rails. Way off the rails. We can discuss how and when it went off the rails and who caused it to go off the rails if you’d like. Or we can pretend that everything about our foreign policy is just A-OK, and it’s just that nobody understands poor old us, is all. Anybody up to an adult discussion? Peace

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:39:43 +0000

I don’t know about Jane Hamsher but Taylor marsh hasn’t altered her views one iota from what I have seen reading and commenting here for a couplla years now. We have seen eye to eye on alot of things and been diametrically opposed on others.
There has been a very recent influx of America is ALWAYS wrong, Obama is ALWAYS wrong and Israel is ALWAYS wrong postings. What I like to think of as the crazy as a shithouse rat left or Mujhawienies. NOBODY is liberal or progressive enough for them. THEY will define who a liberal, who is a progressive, who a feminist is and if you deviate one iota YOU’RE A NEOCON.
Like I’ve said before, they are the views that the wingnuts hold up as the poster children for liberals. They are the folks, conspiracy theorists and paranoids that make me cringe anytime I hear them refered to as the left, or progressive or liberal. They quite simply aren’t.
They are the lunatic fring of the left. The right has their version only on the right the wackoos have taken over the party.

By: Jymn

Jymn — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:20:27 +0000

It’s rather odd and a little scary that former progressives like Jane Hamsher and Taylor Marsh are drifting more and more to the right. I don’t think it is anti-Semitism that is at the heart of observations made by people like Imhotep about the profiling words in today’s TM post. It is reality. One could only speculate what is causing this drift. Is it because Obama is president and not Clinton or something more unsettling?

By: Marie205

Marie205 — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:53:10 +0000

I hate to say this but “You can have all the security in the world to stop terrorist like this guy, and in the end one of his terrorist friends will make it through” I know that might sound crude to some people. I was in London during the train bombings a couple years back, it was my very first trip over seas and I remember being terrified the day the bombs took place. However, when I looked around at the face coming up out of the damaged subways and on the streets I noticed a difference culturally with the English and Americans. The folks I was around that day didn’t become hysterical at all they were upset but kept there cool. There media didn’t go overboard about the London bombings and everyone around me handled it with an adult manner.
Once I made it back to the State, American media was is in overdrive as if our country would be under attack soon. People around me here was walking around afraid of there own shadows, it was pathetic to witness. Here I was returning from almost losing my life in the London train bombings renewed with the strength I got from English men and Women, who refuse to be afraid or let the terrorist ruin their lives to my home country of frighten children. I really do believe Americans have a lot of growing up do we seem to think of ourselves as if bad things are never suppose to happen to us. After we suffer from the best nation on earth attitude; but were not just like other countries we will be attacked.

By: PissedOffAmerican

PissedOffAmerican — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:56:43 +0000

This is laughable. If some guy waltzed Abdulmatallab right past security protocol, then “tightening” security protocol is just a feel good cover their asses bit of posturing.

BOOO!!!

But don’t worry folks, we will get right on finding out what went wrong and fixin’ it, we want you to be scared, but we don’t want you to think we’re incompetent.

Its amazing what a gullible society of jackasses we’ve become.

By: Taylor Marsh

Taylor Marsh — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:07:38 +0000

Not that I’ve read, secularh. And to your point about “walking papers,” there are serious holes from when the U.S. embassy reported what they were told and nothing being done about it beyond making a note of his name on some database terror listing.

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:06:34 +0000

P.S. Have we done anything in the way of offering his Father and family santuary for coming to us with this?

By: secularhumanizinevoluter

secularhumanizinevoluter — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:05:17 +0000

“the pro-Zionist, neocon foreign policy at the Pentagon”
That about says it all dosen’t it. Though you did forget to include the CIA planed the whole thing.

I’ve seen two diferant versions now of when this guy was first picked out as someone to keep an eye on. Which is it?
If he was ID’s 2 years ago what was it that brought him to DHS attention? Because if he was ALREADY identified as someone to keep an eye on, THEN his father came to us and said I think he may do something stupid and he STILL wasn’t on the no fly list somebody/some folks should get their walking papers for criminal neglegance.

By: PissedOffAmerican

PissedOffAmerican — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:57:49 +0000

“Haskell said he and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man”

“While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, ‘He’s from Sudan and we do this all the time.’””

http://tinyurl.com/y8u6omf

So, why aren’t we hearing about this? I have a coupla questions here that are pretty obvious. First, what security firm is handling security at both airports involved? Is it the Israeli firm that seems to have managed to insidiously weasel its way into our own airports?

And two, surely there must be security camera shots of this guy in a suit. Will we ever be told what intelligence agency he worked for? Obviously, he had some pull, and was not just some unknown yahoo to the security personel.

By: Taylor Marsh

Taylor Marsh — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 16:26:14 +0000

Profiling a passenger to look at their psychological state is not pro-Zionist. You’d understand that if you could separate your hatred for Israel with being practical when it comes to employing all anti-terrorism techniques possible regarding airline safety.

Though the issue of why we didn’t consider him a risk, but Britain did, tells the tale as well.

By: Imhotep

Imhotep — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 15:58:48 +0000

At 10:05 am I made a comment in a POA essay about how the pro-Zionist, neocon foreign policy at the Pentagon was making America look more and more like Israel. And what do you know, at 10:34 am “perhaps taking Israel’s El Al’s lead” is suggested. There you have it ladies and gentlemen. We are Israel and they are us. If you for one minute believe that the Islamic radicals don’t see it that way then you are very much mistaken. “You will reap what you sow.” Peace