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> <channel><title>Comments on: Democratic Stimulus for Insurance Company Passes</title> <atom:link href="http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/</link> <description>Taylor Marsh - News, Political Analysis, Foreign Policy, and  Independent Political Opinion on Progressive Politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:39:36 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455929</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:17:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455929</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;But he will run over pretty much anyone that will threaten his place in history.&lt;/i&gt;In a nutshell, StephenAG.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But he will run over pretty much anyone that will threaten his place in history.</i></p><p>In a nutshell, StephenAG.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455928</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:16:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455928</guid> <description>No, not a world war.Good. Grief.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not a world war.</p><p>Good. Grief.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imhotep</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455894</link> <dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:43:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455894</guid> <description>Taylor, don&#039;t. Oh. Good. Grief. Me. Missy.  Let me ask you a question.  How many contries does it take to be involved in a war for it to be considered a world war?  NATO has how many members 21, 22, more?  Then there&#039;s Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan.  Are we up to 30 individual countries yet?  Add in the peripheral contributors.  I don&#039;t know Taylor?  Not, a world war?   Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, don&#8217;t. Oh. Good. Grief. Me. Missy.  Let me ask you a question.  How many contries does it take to be involved in a war for it to be considered a world war?  NATO has how many members 21, 22, more?  Then there&#8217;s Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan.  Are we up to 30 individual countries yet?  Add in the peripheral contributors.  I don&#8217;t know Taylor?  Not, a world war?   Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imhotep</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455893</link> <dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:34:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455893</guid> <description>No the most important aspect, for him, is paying off Big Pharma, the insurance industry and Wall Sttret.  Obama is a slug who&#039;s unaware of what&#039;s about to hit him.  Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No the most important aspect, for him, is paying off Big Pharma, the insurance industry and Wall Sttret.  Obama is a slug who&#8217;s unaware of what&#8217;s about to hit him.  Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: StephenAG</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455886</link> <dc:creator>StephenAG</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:05:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455886</guid> <description>Here&#039;s another ENCOURAGING read for you guys! From the Politico 44 Whiteboard:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard12212009.html...
NIGHT OWL: On health care more generally, Obama told Ryan he stayed up to watch the Senate&#039;s early-morning vote on a health care bill and said he&#039;s confident Congress can work out the &quot;five percent&quot; difference between the House and Senate bills.&quot;I was up because I wanted to make sure that I was watching what could end up being an historic moment,&quot; Obama said.The president sought to downplay the lack of a public health insurance option in the Senate bill, saying: &quot;There is so much good in this bill, and I&#039;m now confident that it’s going to pass.&quot;&quot;I think people need to understand just how significant this is,&quot; Obama told Ryan.The public option, he said, &quot;is an area that has just become symbolic of a lot of ideological fights.&quot; But, Obama added: &quot;As a practical matter, this is not the most important aspect of this bill — the House bill or the Senate bill.&quot;Only &quot;a few million people&quot; who buy into the insurance exchange set up in the bill would have benefited from the public option, he said.&quot;So it wasn’t like suddenly everybody would just go out there and buy a government-run plan,&quot; Obama said. &quot;Most people will still get health insurance from their employers.&quot;.
...Now, this interview was given to American Urban Radio Networks&#039;s April Ryan. He&#039;s telling us black folk that the historic nature of all of this was keeping him up late at night (similar to the historic nature of his candidacy and presidency - which a lot of my contemporaries are still pretty juiced about). But do you see how dismissive he was of the public option (&quot;symbolic of a lot of ideological fights&quot;)? This, in my opinion, helps to clarify what Drew Western talked about in the aforementioned HuffPo link. Please understand that Barack Obama is not weak. He just won&#039;t fight for you or me. Black, White or whatever. But he will run over pretty much anyone that will threaten his place in history.I would love to see him fight for the little guy. But Big Pharma and Wall Street have him by the short hairs. Oh well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another ENCOURAGING read for you guys! From the Politico 44 Whiteboard:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard12212009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/politico44/wbarchive/whiteboard12212009.html</a></p><p>&#8230;<br
/> NIGHT OWL: On health care more generally, Obama told Ryan he stayed up to watch the Senate&#8217;s early-morning vote on a health care bill and said he&#8217;s confident Congress can work out the &#8220;five percent&#8221; difference between the House and Senate bills.</p><p>&#8220;I was up because I wanted to make sure that I was watching what could end up being an historic moment,&#8221; Obama said.</p><p>The president sought to downplay the lack of a public health insurance option in the Senate bill, saying: &#8220;There is so much good in this bill, and I&#8217;m now confident that it’s going to pass.&#8221;</p><p>&#8220;I think people need to understand just how significant this is,&#8221; Obama told Ryan.</p><p>The public option, he said, &#8220;is an area that has just become symbolic of a lot of ideological fights.&#8221; But, Obama added: &#8220;As a practical matter, this is not the most important aspect of this bill — the House bill or the Senate bill.&#8221;</p><p>Only &#8220;a few million people&#8221; who buy into the insurance exchange set up in the bill would have benefited from the public option, he said.</p><p>&#8220;So it wasn’t like suddenly everybody would just go out there and buy a government-run plan,&#8221; Obama said. &#8220;Most people will still get health insurance from their employers.&#8221;.<br
/> &#8230;</p><p>Now, this interview was given to American Urban Radio Networks&#8217;s April Ryan. He&#8217;s telling us black folk that the historic nature of all of this was keeping him up late at night (similar to the historic nature of his candidacy and presidency &#8211; which a lot of my contemporaries are still pretty juiced about). But do you see how dismissive he was of the public option (&#8220;symbolic of a lot of ideological fights&#8221;)? This, in my opinion, helps to clarify what Drew Western talked about in the aforementioned HuffPo link. Please understand that Barack Obama is not weak. He just won&#8217;t fight for you or me. Black, White or whatever. But he will run over pretty much anyone that will threaten his place in history.</p><p>I would love to see him fight for the little guy. But Big Pharma and Wall Street have him by the short hairs. Oh well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: djjl</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455883</link> <dc:creator>djjl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:58:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455883</guid> <description>Thanks whitepaw - good afternoon everyone.GaBuck
Bet Dr Westin isn&#039;t the least bit concerned ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks whitepaw &#8211; good afternoon everyone.</p><p>GaBuck<br
/> Bet Dr Westin isn&#8217;t the least bit concerned <img
src='http://taylormarsh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jane Austen</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455881</link> <dc:creator>Jane Austen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:55:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455881</guid> <description>whitepaw - that was a great read!The best line for me was the following:&quot;Teddy Roosevelt was clear that capital gains taxes should be high relative to income taxes because we should reward work, not &#039;gambling in stocks.&#039;&quot;For too long the working person in this country has been getting stiffed.  It&#039;s time we returned to the old values of rewarding the working class with an honest return on their work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whitepaw &#8211; that was a great read!</p><p>The best line for me was the following:</p><p>&#8220;Teddy Roosevelt was clear that capital gains taxes should be high relative to income taxes because we should reward work, not &#8216;gambling in stocks.&#8217;&#8221;</p><p>For too long the working person in this country has been getting stiffed.  It&#8217;s time we returned to the old values of rewarding the working class with an honest return on their work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce Arnold</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455877</link> <dc:creator>Joyce Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:17:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455877</guid> <description>whitepaw says:
21 December 2009 at 12:12 pmThanks for this link, whitepaw.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whitepaw says:<br
/> 21 December 2009 at 12:12 pm</p><p>Thanks for this link, whitepaw.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GaBuck</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455875</link> <dc:creator>GaBuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:22:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455875</guid> <description>Yepdoubt Dr. Westin will be getting a White House Christmas card</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep</p><p>doubt Dr. Westin will be getting a White House Christmas card</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455874</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:11:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455874</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;We’re in a new World War&lt;/i&gt;Oh. Good. Grief.whitepaw says:
21 December 2009 at 12:12 pmThat&#039;s today&#039;s must read, whitepaw.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We’re in a new World War</i></p><p>Oh. Good. Grief.</p><p>whitepaw says:<br
/> 21 December 2009 at 12:12 pm</p><p>That&#8217;s today&#8217;s must read, whitepaw.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: djjl</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455873</link> <dc:creator>djjl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455873</guid> <description>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style-an_b_398813.html&#039;But you have to believe something.I don&#039;t honestly know what this president believes. But I believe if he doesn&#039;t figure it out soon, start enunciating it, and start fighting for it, he&#039;s not only going to give American families hungry for security a series of half-loaves where they could have had full ones, but he&#039;s going to set back the Democratic Party and the progressive movement by decades, because the average American is coming to believe that what they&#039;re seeing right now is &quot;liberalism,&quot; and they don&#039;t like what they see. I don&#039;t, either.What&#039;s they&#039;re seeing is weakness, waffling, and wandering through the wilderness without an ideological compass. That&#039;s a recipe for going nowhere fast -- but getting there by November.&#039;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style-an_b_398813.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style-an_b_398813.html</a></p><p>&#8216;But you have to believe something.</p><p>I don&#8217;t honestly know what this president believes. But I believe if he doesn&#8217;t figure it out soon, start enunciating it, and start fighting for it, he&#8217;s not only going to give American families hungry for security a series of half-loaves where they could have had full ones, but he&#8217;s going to set back the Democratic Party and the progressive movement by decades, because the average American is coming to believe that what they&#8217;re seeing right now is &#8220;liberalism,&#8221; and they don&#8217;t like what they see. I don&#8217;t, either.</p><p>What&#8217;s they&#8217;re seeing is weakness, waffling, and wandering through the wilderness without an ideological compass. That&#8217;s a recipe for going nowhere fast &#8212; but getting there by November.&#8217;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: djjl</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455870</link> <dc:creator>djjl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:50:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455870</guid> <description>Hmmmm.....who were those who insisted that Obama would be superior to HRC on women&#039;s issues?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;..who were those who insisted that Obama would be superior to HRC on women&#8217;s issues?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: whitepaw</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455868</link> <dc:creator>whitepaw</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455868</guid> <description>A good read:http://tiny.cc/MfQc1snip:What&#039;s costing the president are three things: a laissez faire style of leadership that appears weak and removed to everyday Americans, a failure to articulate and defend any coherent ideological position on virtually anything, and a widespread perception that he cares more about special interests like bank, credit card, oil and coal, and health and pharmaceutical companies than he does about the people they are shafting.The problem is not that his record is being distorted. It&#039;s that all three have more than a grain of truth. And I say this not as one of those pesky &quot;leftists.&quot; I say this as someone who has spent much of the last three years studying what moves voters in the middle, the Undecideds who will hear whichever side speaks to them with moral clarity.Leadership, Obama StyleConsider the president&#039;s leadership style, which has now become clear: deliver a moving speech, move on, and when push comes to shove, leave it to others to decide what to do if there&#039;s a conflict, because if there&#039;s a conflict, he doesn&#039;t want to be anywhere near it.Health care is a paradigm case. When the president went to speak to the Democrats last week on Capitol Hill, he exhorted them to pass the bill. According to reports, though, he didn&#039;t mention the two issues in the way of doing that, the efforts of Senators like Ben Nelson to use this as an opportunity to turn back the clock on abortion by 25 years, and the efforts of conservative and industry-owned Democrats to eliminate any competition for the insurance companies that pay their campaign bills. He simply ignored both controversies and exhorted.Leadership means heading into the eye of the storm and bringing the vessel of state home safely, not going as far inland as you can because it&#039;s uncomfortable on the high seas. This president has a particular aversion to battling back gusting winds from his starboard side (the right, for the nautically challenged) and tends to give in to them. He just can&#039;t tolerate conflict, and the result is that he refuses to lead.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read:</p><p><a
href="http://tiny.cc/MfQc1" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/MfQc1</a></p><p>snip:</p><p>What&#8217;s costing the president are three things: a laissez faire style of leadership that appears weak and removed to everyday Americans, a failure to articulate and defend any coherent ideological position on virtually anything, and a widespread perception that he cares more about special interests like bank, credit card, oil and coal, and health and pharmaceutical companies than he does about the people they are shafting.</p><p>The problem is not that his record is being distorted. It&#8217;s that all three have more than a grain of truth. And I say this not as one of those pesky &#8220;leftists.&#8221; I say this as someone who has spent much of the last three years studying what moves voters in the middle, the Undecideds who will hear whichever side speaks to them with moral clarity.</p><p>Leadership, Obama Style</p><p>Consider the president&#8217;s leadership style, which has now become clear: deliver a moving speech, move on, and when push comes to shove, leave it to others to decide what to do if there&#8217;s a conflict, because if there&#8217;s a conflict, he doesn&#8217;t want to be anywhere near it.</p><p>Health care is a paradigm case. When the president went to speak to the Democrats last week on Capitol Hill, he exhorted them to pass the bill. According to reports, though, he didn&#8217;t mention the two issues in the way of doing that, the efforts of Senators like Ben Nelson to use this as an opportunity to turn back the clock on abortion by 25 years, and the efforts of conservative and industry-owned Democrats to eliminate any competition for the insurance companies that pay their campaign bills. He simply ignored both controversies and exhorted.</p><p>Leadership means heading into the eye of the storm and bringing the vessel of state home safely, not going as far inland as you can because it&#8217;s uncomfortable on the high seas. This president has a particular aversion to battling back gusting winds from his starboard side (the right, for the nautically challenged) and tends to give in to them. He just can&#8217;t tolerate conflict, and the result is that he refuses to lead.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Velvet</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455867</link> <dc:creator>Velvet</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:00:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455867</guid> <description>Good morning.Your comments reflect my concerns.  I&#039;m worried that people won&#039;t be able to pay for tests and other medical treatments.  My daughter is already experiencing increased co-pays and tests that were formerly covered by her insurance, but aren&#039;t being covered now.  As I&#039;ve always commented to people &quot;20% of 0 is fine, but just wait until you have a serious condition and you have to pay 20% to each provider and they want payment NOW&quot;!  The #1 cause of bankruptcies is medical care.
Many people take good health for granted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning.</p><p>Your comments reflect my concerns.  I&#8217;m worried that people won&#8217;t be able to pay for tests and other medical treatments.  My daughter is already experiencing increased co-pays and tests that were formerly covered by her insurance, but aren&#8217;t being covered now.  As I&#8217;ve always commented to people &#8220;20% of 0 is fine, but just wait until you have a serious condition and you have to pay 20% to each provider and they want payment NOW&#8221;!  The #1 cause of bankruptcies is medical care.<br
/> Many people take good health for granted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lake Lady</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455864</link> <dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:33:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455864</guid> <description>Yes, we have lost our moral edge it has been superceded by all the faux moral &quot;wedge issues&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we have lost our moral edge it has been superceded by all the faux moral &#8220;wedge issues&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jane Austen</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455862</link> <dc:creator>Jane Austen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455862</guid> <description>LL - the cost of the health care system will bring this country down, if not today, in the near see able future.  We can&#039;t sustain the cost of providing health care without true reform. Wait until the hospitals start closing; they have been in the last ten years, or when tests become so expensive that even those with some health insurance can&#039;t afford to pay the huge co-pays and opt not to have the necessary testing for a diagnosis.  The hand writing is on the wall.  I worked in health care all my adult life and I saw what was happening, especially in the last six years before I retired.  I know the costs of health care provision and what the insurance companies were doing to wheedle out of paying claims.  The problem is that so many Americans don&#039;t realize what&#039;s coming down the pike in the next few years or if they do aren&#039;t willing to fight for it.
&quot;A house divided will perish&quot; and right now this country is so divided I just see bad things in the future.  We&#039;ve lost our moral edge among other things.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL &#8211; the cost of the health care system will bring this country down, if not today, in the near see able future.  We can&#8217;t sustain the cost of providing health care without true reform. Wait until the hospitals start closing; they have been in the last ten years, or when tests become so expensive that even those with some health insurance can&#8217;t afford to pay the huge co-pays and opt not to have the necessary testing for a diagnosis.  The hand writing is on the wall.  I worked in health care all my adult life and I saw what was happening, especially in the last six years before I retired.  I know the costs of health care provision and what the insurance companies were doing to wheedle out of paying claims.  The problem is that so many Americans don&#8217;t realize what&#8217;s coming down the pike in the next few years or if they do aren&#8217;t willing to fight for it.<br
/> &#8220;A house divided will perish&#8221; and right now this country is so divided I just see bad things in the future.  We&#8217;ve lost our moral edge among other things.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imhotep</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455861</link> <dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455861</guid> <description>GaBuck, you are so right.  &quot;Obama wins, We lose&quot;  That&#039;s a new bumper sticker that I had made up and am now passing around.   But, the lousy health care bill is the least of our problems.  We have 120,000 US troops in Iraq.  100,000 in Afghanistan.  A secret CIA war going on in Pakistan.  US missiles being fired into Yemen and the Sudan.  Thousands of NATO troops running around all over the place.  And Obama working as hard as he can to trigger a military confrontation with Iran (see Stuart A. Levey).  We&#039;re in a new World War and who knew?  (That might make another good bumper sticker.)   Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaBuck, you are so right.  &#8220;Obama wins, We lose&#8221;  That&#8217;s a new bumper sticker that I had made up and am now passing around.   But, the lousy health care bill is the least of our problems.  We have 120,000 US troops in Iraq.  100,000 in Afghanistan.  A secret CIA war going on in Pakistan.  US missiles being fired into Yemen and the Sudan.  Thousands of NATO troops running around all over the place.  And Obama working as hard as he can to trigger a military confrontation with Iran (see Stuart A. Levey).  We&#8217;re in a new World War and who knew?  (That might make another good bumper sticker.)   Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lake Lady</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455860</link> <dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:19:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455860</guid> <description>Joyce Arnold and Jane ...you both express my sentiments this morning.I keep trying to remember the details of that old parable about the group of people stranded in the woods on a freezing night. Each had a piece of wood to build a fire, but would not share it with the group for his own reasons. They all ended up freezing.It seems to me that this is the core problem in so many of the hard problems this country faces.Like Jane I have good insurance and a very livable retirement income. I live in a wonderful bubble with my daughter and her family across the lake,in a beautiful rural setting 40 minutes from a city. It is affordable to live where I live and I know and love my neighbors and my community. I am thankful beyond measure for all of that. However, it pains me greatly that others do not have the same good fortune and I worry that ignoring this is going to bring us all down.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce Arnold and Jane &#8230;you both express my sentiments this morning.</p><p>I keep trying to remember the details of that old parable about the group of people stranded in the woods on a freezing night. Each had a piece of wood to build a fire, but would not share it with the group for his own reasons. They all ended up freezing.</p><p>It seems to me that this is the core problem in so many of the hard problems this country faces.</p><p>Like Jane I have good insurance and a very livable retirement income. I live in a wonderful bubble with my daughter and her family across the lake,in a beautiful rural setting 40 minutes from a city. It is affordable to live where I live and I know and love my neighbors and my community. I am thankful beyond measure for all of that. However, it pains me greatly that others do not have the same good fortune and I worry that ignoring this is going to bring us all down.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GaBuck</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455858</link> <dc:creator>GaBuck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455858</guid> <description>Look, this is the bill Obama wanted all along. There&#039;s just no way for the White House to spin it any other way. I find it laughable that Feingold gets out there now, after the fact, to state the obvious. The White House never intended to put any capital into the public option. That doesn&#039;t necessarily mean Obama wouldn&#039;t have signed a bill with a public option, but he sure as hell wasn&#039;t going to put some skin in the game to make it happen. He clearly learned the wrong lesson from 1994.And speaking of Feingold, where the hell were these comments in June? Or September, or a week ago? He may as well just kept his trap shut for all the good this does after the fact. Why wasn&#039;t he putting pressure on the WH then? Trying to put the onus on the WH for his ineffectual efforts to fight for a public plan does not wash the s#%t from his hands. Sorry Russ, I aint buying.Mandates are gonna kill this majority. About the only hope left is that the dismal polling numbers on the bill scare skittish members into voting against it.I find it laughable that there are still Democrats, bloggers etc. trying to pin any of this on Republicans. Their smartest move was to oppose the whole thing. Now they have nothing on their hands.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, this is the bill Obama wanted all along. There&#8217;s just no way for the White House to spin it any other way. I find it laughable that Feingold gets out there now, after the fact, to state the obvious. The White House never intended to put any capital into the public option. That doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean Obama wouldn&#8217;t have signed a bill with a public option, but he sure as hell wasn&#8217;t going to put some skin in the game to make it happen. He clearly learned the wrong lesson from 1994.</p><p>And speaking of Feingold, where the hell were these comments in June? Or September, or a week ago? He may as well just kept his trap shut for all the good this does after the fact. Why wasn&#8217;t he putting pressure on the WH then? Trying to put the onus on the WH for his ineffectual efforts to fight for a public plan does not wash the s#%t from his hands. Sorry Russ, I aint buying.</p><p>Mandates are gonna kill this majority. About the only hope left is that the dismal polling numbers on the bill scare skittish members into voting against it.</p><p>I find it laughable that there are still Democrats, bloggers etc. trying to pin any of this on Republicans. Their smartest move was to oppose the whole thing. Now they have nothing on their hands.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce Arnold</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455857</link> <dc:creator>Joyce Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455857</guid> <description>Jane, I am in complete agreement that they should have started with single payer. Failure to do that turned out to be an accurate signal of things to come.I don&#039;t have health care insurance. I don&#039;t have any real hope, either.And whatever any and all celebrate, I wish you the best possible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I am in complete agreement that they should have started with single payer. Failure to do that turned out to be an accurate signal of things to come.</p><p>I don&#8217;t have health care insurance. I don&#8217;t have any real hope, either.</p><p>And whatever any and all celebrate, I wish you the best possible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jane Austen</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455856</link> <dc:creator>Jane Austen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:44:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455856</guid> <description>Joyce - they should have started out with nationalized health care; single payer then gone from there.  They would have been negotiating down to a public option which would have looked good at that point.  But they really didn&#039;t have their hearts in it, including our &quot;hope and change&quot; president.Oh, by the way &quot;Merry Christmas.&quot;  To one and all.  I wish I felt merry.  I just feel sad.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce &#8211; they should have started out with nationalized health care; single payer then gone from there.  They would have been negotiating down to a public option which would have looked good at that point.  But they really didn&#8217;t have their hearts in it, including our &#8220;hope and change&#8221; president.</p><p>Oh, by the way &#8220;Merry Christmas.&#8221;  To one and all.  I wish I felt merry.  I just feel sad.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jane Austen</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455855</link> <dc:creator>Jane Austen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:41:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455855</guid> <description>Sorry to sound so negative but this bill is a joke; a joke on the American people.  If this is health care reform I&#039;ll eat my shirt or better still I have a bridge I can sell to the American people.  This is not change I can believe in nor expected from a Democratic president and Congress.  I&#039;m finished with the whole mess.  I have good health insurance and I don&#039;t have to worry about reproductive health care.  I&#039;m just sorry that the rest of the people especially the women, are going to be stuck with the same ol&#039; same ol&#039; garbage.  Two years down the line, I predict health insurance premiums are going to go through the roof and those who have marginal insurance now, won&#039;t be able to afford it.  Without a public option there is no other way to go for these people.  We&#039;ve really become a selfish country.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to sound so negative but this bill is a joke; a joke on the American people.  If this is health care reform I&#8217;ll eat my shirt or better still I have a bridge I can sell to the American people.  This is not change I can believe in nor expected from a Democratic president and Congress.  I&#8217;m finished with the whole mess.  I have good health insurance and I don&#8217;t have to worry about reproductive health care.  I&#8217;m just sorry that the rest of the people especially the women, are going to be stuck with the same ol&#8217; same ol&#8217; garbage.  Two years down the line, I predict health insurance premiums are going to go through the roof and those who have marginal insurance now, won&#8217;t be able to afford it.  Without a public option there is no other way to go for these people.  We&#8217;ve really become a selfish country.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce Arnold</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2009/12/democratic-stimulus-for-insurance-company-passes/comment-page-1/#comment-455854</link> <dc:creator>Joyce Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:40:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=46365#comment-455854</guid> <description>Seismic and surreal.Also silly,sad and seriously scary.Stating the obvious:  the recent history of this &quot;historical&quot; heath &quot;care&quot; &quot;reform&quot; effort shows a consistent downward direction. When single payer was never considered; when &quot;public option,&quot; &quot;robust&quot; or watered-down, was used as a game piece and discarded when it no longer served gaming purposes; when it became clear that &quot;mandates&quot; would basically serve as a profit funnel for the health insurance industry; when Democratic Electeds allow a decidedly un-&quot;progressive&quot; philosophy to drive politics, process, policy and pragmatism -- to me that and more all mean that we basically have what was more or less planned all along.The Republicans play their &quot;No&quot; role, for their own reasons; the Democrats play their self-proclaimed (supported by much of media, pundits and &quot;experts&quot;) &quot;historic&quot; role. Whatever eventually comes out of putting the Senate and House bills together -- though almost certainly the Senate bill will largely prevail -- we can find bits and pieces that, in fact, bring some decent changes, but the mandates to purchase insurance in the private sector, and the despicable anti-abortion measures will be historic only in their blatant and unapologetic decision, I think from the beginning (think campaign financing), to allow the health care industries to be the most important player, and the constituents of supreme concern, in the entire process.I&#039;m prepared for more &quot;Be very afraid&quot; and &quot;The Republicans are worse!&quot; tactics by the Democrats, based on &quot;You have no where else to go&quot; assumptions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seismic and surreal.Also silly,sad and seriously scary.</p><p>Stating the obvious:  the recent history of this &#8220;historical&#8221; heath &#8220;care&#8221; &#8220;reform&#8221; effort shows a consistent downward direction. When single payer was never considered; when &#8220;public option,&#8221; &#8220;robust&#8221; or watered-down, was used as a game piece and discarded when it no longer served gaming purposes; when it became clear that &#8220;mandates&#8221; would basically serve as a profit funnel for the health insurance industry; when Democratic Electeds allow a decidedly un-&#8221;progressive&#8221; philosophy to drive politics, process, policy and pragmatism &#8212; to me that and more all mean that we basically have what was more or less planned all along.</p><p>The Republicans play their &#8220;No&#8221; role, for their own reasons; the Democrats play their self-proclaimed (supported by much of media, pundits and &#8220;experts&#8221;) &#8220;historic&#8221; role. Whatever eventually comes out of putting the Senate and House bills together &#8212; though almost certainly the Senate bill will largely prevail &#8212; we can find bits and pieces that, in fact, bring some decent changes, but the mandates to purchase insurance in the private sector, and the despicable anti-abortion measures will be historic only in their blatant and unapologetic decision, I think from the beginning (think campaign financing), to allow the health care industries to be the most important player, and the constituents of supreme concern, in the entire process.</p><p>I&#8217;m prepared for more &#8220;Be very afraid&#8221; and &#8220;The Republicans are worse!&#8221; tactics by the Democrats, based on &#8220;You have no where else to go&#8221; assumptions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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