Comments on: Howard Dean: ‘Best Thing to Do Is Kill the Senate Bill’

By: Joyce Arnold

Joyce Arnold — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:59:52 +0000

Taylor: “House progressives and others who think the bill sucks get progressive cover by Dean speaking out.”

Agree, totally. I’m not so sure how many House progressives exist, but absolutely Dean’s statement helps them, and we need everyone we can get.

By: www.democratz.org

www.democratz.org — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:37:05 +0000

Well pissed off American, you probably didn’t even read the web page because if you did, you would see a letter saying that until Joe gets a strong single payer public option enacted into law, we will not buy any products from his friends at General Electric. The more people send that letter, the less revenue that GE will get. Oh and the letter goes to GE as well.

By: PissedOffAmerican

PissedOffAmerican — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:04:48 +0000

Democratz……

It always amuses me to see someone advocating contacting a politician who has demonstrated, already, that they couldn’t care less about your opinion.

Why the hell would anyone contact this worm Lieberman? Has he given you any indication he gives a shit what his constituency wants?

By: army193

army193 — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:41:12 +0000

THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
September 9, 2009

“I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/

I guess sometimes we just don’t listen…What American will get is mandate to have insurance with the private sector…and the poor will provide Billion of Dollars for Bonus….Now that is Change we can believe in it call permeate imprisonment by Corporate America with the help of your purchased elected officials.

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:23:09 +0000

sen brown caves\
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/brown-public-option-or-no-im-voting-for-this-health-care-bill.php?ref=dcblt

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:17:08 +0000

fineman- dean’s comming out against bill significant. a frmr head of the party and widely respected liberal saying kill it is a crucial development here. fineman also- with dean now opposed who is close ot the prog cuaucs on the hill signals the bill may not pass. toss in stupak and oh boy.

By: www.democratz.org

www.democratz.org — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:58:12 +0000

Here, send a message to traitor Joe Lieberman demanding he help enact a strong single payer public option into law.

http://bit.ly/traitorjoe

By: Imhotep

Imhotep — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:25:21 +0000

Kill the Bill. Peace

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:34:45 +0000

dean on olbermann tonight to announce opposition to sen bill.

By: Lake Lady

Lake Lady — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:28:18 +0000

Wonder if Betsy is fed up with Obama yet?

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:47:54 +0000

kris says:
15 December 2009 at 6:38 pm

It’s only my opinion but at this point with what is happening with health care reform, I’m beginning to smell a rat. In all honesty, do you think health care reform would be the mess it is if she were still in the Senate? And if she were, she would have had a lot to say about where this bill would have gone and it wouldn’t have gone down the drain. I think I know Hillary pretty well because of all the town meetings I attended in the past and she was pretty passionate about health care reform. Only my opinion but it’s what I have felt for a long time.

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:44:58 +0000

“we are screwed”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/15/rep-capuano-tells-fellow_n_392685.html?view=print

By: kris

kris — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:38:28 +0000

And Jane do you really think Obama named Hillary SOS for that reason?

By: kris

kris — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:37:23 +0000

You’re right Jane. We elect people like Sonny Bono, Arnold, my favorite Nancy Pelosi,Democratic Senators, Republican Governors, Democratic Legislatures, it typically makes no sense. And it makes no sense because most pay NO attention until election time. By then it’s too late.

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:33:30 +0000

texan4hillary says:
15 December 2009 at 6:30 pm

He should let out that famous yell of his. But I think you may be right. He didn’t come out saying this for nothing.

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:32:27 +0000

kris says:
15 December 2009 at 6:30 pm

I do watch the politics in CA since I have family out there. But CA is a funny state politically. It just doesn’t seem to have the same involvement that the people in NY have with politics, or maybe that’s just my opinion. I mean we’re downright political animals.

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:30:42 +0000

dean’s voice is most influential here. he says kill it. so i think he is the leader here.

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:30:19 +0000

remember when I wasn’t too thrilled about Hillary becoming SOS because I felt she should continue in the Senate where she could work for the people of NYS. I think I know why Obama made her SOS. Who do you think would have been fighting for true health care reform now? She was neutralized. She can’t say anything about the health care reform without looking like she’s going against Obama.

By: kris

kris — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:30:10 +0000

It is frustrating Jane. I know CA is a very populous state but so I am sure they receive alot of communications but an acknowledgment once in awhile would be nice.

Watch Boxer’s race against Fiorina next year. Should be interesting and I could not predict right now who might win. The other race to watch out here is the Governorship.

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:26:25 +0000

kris says:
15 December 2009 at 6:11 pm

I guess I always assumed that all senators responded to their constituents when called or written to. I had the best relationship with Hillary Clinton’s office, and I have a pretty good relationship with Schumer and Gillibrand’s offices. I e-mail and call constantly. But it’s my congressman who is really great. He believes and fights for everything I believe in and is excellent on his communication with my hubby and me. I just wish others had the same kind of response. So kris I understand your frustration.

By: kris

kris — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:24:37 +0000

texan4hillary -

who’s the best bet to lead a revolt in your opinion?

By: texan4hillary

texan4hillary — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:21:14 +0000

its a war. head of steelworkers on ed show-says no union support for linocln, lieberman etc in election if they keep their shit up. rep delauro says she cannot support liebercare and urges a recall in ct for joe. sen brown said- “we have no love for lieberman here.” it looked like he was about to say um some other things but held back. wapo reports tensions so high between liberals and others its about to turn to fullscale revolt. so i pray. please revolt. someone revolt for us. what a fiasco.

By: kris

kris — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:11:16 +0000

I am not lucky. I have two Senators who never respond to emails, letters or phone calls.

The only email I have received from one of them was an invitation to a fundraiser to the tune of thousands of dollars to get in. Needless to say I took a pass on that one.

I must say that it is crystal clear to me why this fiasco never made its way onto C-Span

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:05:08 +0000

I’m lucky. I have a very progressive congressman who not only voted for a strong public option but voted against the Stupak amendment. In talking to his office this afternoon, I was told they are holding their breath waiting to see what the Senate is going to do. They are not against getting the bill thrown back into the House if it means getting meaningful health care reform. It’ll just take longer.

And I agree with Betsy–Lieberman is disgusting. He represents himself only.

By: Taylor Marsh

Taylor Marsh — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:47:12 +0000

In the face of that kind of scary tactic framing, Dean’s statement is particularly significant, though I fear not particularly powerful. Dr. Dean’s voice doesn’t seem to be one that carries much weight.

One thing you’re missing is the audience it helps, Joyce. House progressives and others who think the bill sucks get progressive cover by Dean speaking out. That it came as Obama was standing up in a presser was tantamount to a Lieberman move from the other side of the Democratic political spectrum. It stepped all over Obama’s message, which is good for anyone who wants REAL health care reform, not simply some “win” for Mr. Obama.

Hey BobbyG, you know, the political side of the health care debate has taken all my writing lately, even with so much happening on foreign policy. It’s the only story right now and one of the most important in Democratic history. It also could be a seminal moment for Obama, but also progressives.

…and get a load of this post:

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/15/president-obama-tells-bald-faced-lie-about-health-care-reform-cost-control/

TIME TO CALL YOUR PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS, if he/she represents you.

By: Taylor Marsh

Taylor Marsh — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:36:46 +0000

From Betsy, whom many of you remember well, via my Facebook page:Lieberman is disgusting. I'm furious with the entire Democratic party. To think I switched party for change, what a damn laugh. I agree with Howard Dean. vote down the bill in the Senate. Harry Reid is a creep and a sleaze. THese guys all are just concerned with themselves, not the American people.

By: lynnette

lynnette — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:01:22 +0000

Jane Austen says:
15 December 2009 at 4:50 pm

Jane, I know you are very dedicated. This whole thing has gotten ridiculous. These are all grown, supposedly intelligent people, who have been bought off and only care about themselves. I am really disgusted, too.

By: Jane Austen

Jane Austen — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:50:34 +0000

lynnette – there is no one more bitterly disappointed than me on what is now happening with health care reform. I’m literally spitting nails, crying after getting off the phone with my senators, congressman and every other person that has anything to do with the debacle that is called health care reform. I’ve worked with doctors, nurses, and all the other groups for weeks now to get a decent bill passed with a public option. The last straw is the dismantling of women’s reproductive health care. As a Democrat I’m ashamed that I have belonged to this party for all of my voting life which is more than 50 years. And as for Obama, I’m so disappointed I can hardly speak his name. He may not be a Democrat in the same vein that I’m used to but he could have at least had the balls to fight for something as important as health care reform. First Palin hijacked health care reform, now Lieberman and Nelson. How did we get to this? I have to stop now because it’s becoming a rant and I can’t think straight.

By: Lake Lady

Lake Lady — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:47:29 +0000

Like lynnette I trust Dean on healthcare and I have been waiting for him to comment. Screw Obama and the Senate Dems I agree with Dean. I am calling Claire’s office to urge her to vote no. She won’t of course…she is so close to Obama but she might see that it is going to cost us all too much.

By: lynnette

lynnette — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:39:30 +0000

I’ve usually looked to Howard Dean to see what he thinks about health insurance reform because I tend to trust him on it. If he is saying this, it must be pretty bad. I am very peeved that the whole fate of health reform for millions of Americans lies in the hands of Joe Lieberman and Ben Nelson. This with a Democratic president and Congress ?? Poof – now no 55-65 buy-in to Medicare – just like that. We’re in big trouble. Can someone tell me anything good about this bill?