Oh, no he didn’t.
Those elements are in the House and Senate versions of the legislation; their competing proposals will have to be reconciled in conference committee next year. The House bill includes a government-run insurance plan favored by progressive Democrats; the Senate version does not. “I didn’t campaign on the public option,” Obama said in the interview. – Washington Post
Because yes he did.
(2) NEW AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH INSURANCE OPTIONS. The Obama-Biden plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals purchase new affordable health care options if they are uninsured or want new health insurance. Through the Exchange, any American will have the opportunity to enroll in the new public plan or an approved private plan, and income-based sliding scale tax credits will be provided for people and families who need it. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and meet the same standards for quality and efficiency. Insurers would be required to justify an above-average premium increase to the Exchange. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, transparent.
Huffington Post has the mother lode of Obama health care flashbacks, from a post back in August.
As for the video, it begins with mandates, with candidate Obama against them before Pres. Obama decided he was for them. But topping that is this regarding drug and insurance companies:
“They should have a seat at the table, but they can’t buy every chair.” – candidate Obama
This quote weaves through most health care videos available, which while comparing the reality of the Senate bill makes you feel that someone’s snatched candidate Obama to replace him with someone most never knew.
There’s more, going back to his campaign documents, because there’s only one way to “help increase competition.”
Barack Obama and Joe Biden’s new National Health Insurance Exchange will also help increase competition by insurers.
Offers a public health insurance option to provide the uninsured and those who can’t find affordable coverage with a real choice.
How gullible does Pres. Obama think we are? Never mind.
Anyone else feeling déjà vu?
At least I’m not getting as much hate mail as I used to.
You are so right, Ms. Marsh. I was rabidly anti-Hillary because I believed she would be what Obama is–though I never thought she would be THIS bad. The bill is indeed immoral and suicidal. The “good” parts of the calamity are going to be like an extra dessert serving on the Titanic. Thanks for your commentary. I read it regularly, and never without the faint taste of crow in my mouth about the 2008 primaries – LP
I think we’re aiming too low. IMO, justifiably holding Obama’s feet to the fire and calling him out on his flip-flops might net some minor gains here and there, but in the end, it’s the money that talks loudest. After bailing out AIG, Citi Bank, Bank of America ad nauseum, and then watching the Healthcare bill get gutted by similar conglomerates, the obviousness of who’s always had the real power is glaring.
I was for the bailouts simply because I thought the economy would’ve been dropped to it’s knees and we would’ve been devastated. I still don’t think that was the wrong call at the end of the day, I just knew who was going to pay the heaviest price…John & Jane Q. Public (imagine that). Oh sure, we’re paying for this in spades anyways, but at least we aren’t crushed into the dust completely.
I think an audit of the Federal Reserve sponsored by Ron Paul and co-sponsored by Alan Grayson among others in H.R. 1207 http://tinyurl.com/csd7kc is the best start. If this audit and the trail it follows leads to President Obama on down, we act accordingly. Until then I think we’re treating the symptom and not the disease. I doubt it matters who the POTUS, Senators, and Congress members are…the lion’s share of them are feeding at the same trough (replace one, another feeder fills the slot) and so on.
IMO, I honestly think if Obama we’re to try and buck this system off on his own, well….makes me think of JFK. I think the rabbit hole goes that deep and the best way to find out is through the Fed.
You can’t hold Obama’s feet to the fire, especially on health care, which isn’t about flip flops. It’s about him lying. But in the end he doesn’t care what anyone thinks. He’s eyeing his “win” and nothing else matters, that’s clear.
Obama’s real problem is that he’s lost his credibility, with more and more people not respecting him. They have finally come to grips with the fact that his rhetoric isn’t backed up by action that resembles what he’s said.
I do agree with what you’re saying about the Fed, with Grayson & Paul doing something important. But it’s going to take a lot more than these two, with Dems circling the wagons as elections start getting closer.
OMG! Reading all of this and watching the associated videos just breaks my heart. I have a sense of loss over what we could have had — a real fighter!
Taylor, I grieve over how you have been treated over the last 18 – 24 months.
Thanks for giving so many of us a place to safely vent as we try to figure out how to get out of this mess. I am not the most astute political person around but I do know that if Dems/liberals/progressives continue to govern and vote by the Cult of Personality we are going to be in big trouble for a loooong time! Barack’s political record shouted aloud that things would be like this, but the “serious smart people” threw caution to the wind and voted for a fantasy. Whatta revoltin’ development!
Taylor Marsh says:
23 December 2009 at 1:37 am
Good points, but if it were President Sanders, Clinton, Weiner, [insert hero of the day], I’d still wager the end result would’ve been roughly the same.
It’s all speculation at this point, and you’re spot on about the wagon circling and Obama losing credibility, but what does any of it really matter if the order of things are generally pre-determined? We replace puppet A with puppet B and hope the strings snap on their own.
First comment.
Thanks Taylor for this site and happy holidays and new year to you and yours. I found you as a sane outpost during the primaries. (I also found Jerome Armstrong on mydd.com refreshing during the primaries and still.) I live abroad and don’t always have time to comment, though I do very much enjoy reading your posts.
I supported Hillary Clinton because I thought that she was the most progressive candidate. I was constantly amazed that so many folks on the left were in Obama’s camp when he clearly wasn’t the most left candidate in the field. Nor was Hillary, but she had the partisan gumption that we needed and still need.
Anyway, I came around and gladly supported Obama after he won the primary. And cried my eyes out during the inauguration.
I’m crying again now, but for different reasons. Obama has so far been a severe disappointment. He’s turned out to be the post-partisan centrist that I feared he would be.
“Dems/liberals/progressives continue to govern and vote by the Cult of Personality”
The trouble is it’s PROFESSIONAL POLITICIONS fist and “Dems/liberals/progressives” second when at all.
Before the General election during the Primary there was a mind set among alot of Obama supporters much like that of two VERY prolific posters here now.
A core point to make but completely submerged in vitriolic, overbareing and more often then not divorced from reality rhetoeric.
Reality be damned just by shear volume of drivil attempt to overpower the oposition.
Well, Obama won. And now the drivil has come splashing up against reality. And some of the erstwhile “supporters” are now running around screaming that Obama is “just as bad” or “worse then Bush”
And they are STILL equally as divorced from reality.
Obama is turning out to be not as bad as alot of HRCs supporters thought he would be. BUT he IS turning out to be FAR worse then the VAST majority of Obama supporters HOPED he would be.
And like the professional Pol he is, and like we SAID he was and did and would do, he LIED to win.
carrieboberry says:
23 December 2009 at 4:47 am I supported Hillary Clinton because I thought that she was the most progressive candidate. I was constantly amazed that so many folks on the left were in Obama’s camp when he clearly wasn’t the most left candidate in the field. Nor was Hillary, but she had the partisan gumption that we needed and still need.
I agree with you. I think domestically she was to the left of Obama and although she is bipartisan to a degree, she wouldn’t have centered her health reform on it. I think she would have gone to reconciliation, to tell you the truth. I also think because of prior mistakes and experience, she would have navigated the waters better or at least fended off the death panels, abortion issue, etc. more effectively. But that’s just my opinion. Hindsight is 20/20. I’ve often wondered whether that is the real reason the corporate media was so against her – because she actually would have been a threat to the health insurance industry. I also agree with Sandmann’s p.o.v. about the money talking the loudest – I think the system is broken.
Hi, Sec. I see you’re an early bird today. Happy Holidays to you.
Will the real Barack Obama stand up? I don’t know who this president is or what he stands for. I guess I never really did know. This is what I was afraid of from the beginning. He never came across as a true Democrat or someone who would fight for Democratic ideals. I don’t know what his philosophy is, unless it’s building consensus between the two parties and on that he has been a true failure. Right now it looks as though the American people have lost. Hope and change you can believe in. I’ll believe in the tooth fairy before I believe anything Obama says again.
Tell congress you demand a strong singlepayer public option
http://publicoption.democratz.org
You have nothing to lose by signing this petition. NOTHING TO LOSE.
This petition has REAL political teeth unlike most petitions that so called liberals and progressives have. Unfortunately liberal groups like Progressive Democrats of America, PNHP, Families USA, Health Care for America Now do not appear to me real liberal groups. I consider them moderate groups.
Don’t complain if you don’t sign the petition. Noone that I can see except the people who signed the petition goes after the major reason for the lack of progressive legislation: The companies that give money to conservatives who bought this legislation that appears a give away to drug companies and insurance companies.
Joe was great his morning on ‘Morning Joe’ he just laid it out. Both sides are bought and paid for and only involved in their own self interest. There are a very few exceptions that I know of.
He almost sounded like he was ready to campaign when he said a movement was going to come out of the blatent corruption in our congress.
I guess in the meantime we should all move to Vermont. They appear to elect public officials who care about the public.
I’m signing petitions, writing my Elected Elites, and doing careful reading about building new parties and/or efforts to change the Democratic Party from within. The frustation, disappointment, anger, fear, etc., of so many, is obvious. How all that energy and concern is organized is yet to be seen.
“…..completely submerged in vitriolic, overbareing and more often then not divorced from reality rhetoeric”
Gads, it about time you did a bit of introspection, Congratulations, you’ll be the better off for it.
Now that we’ve established that Obama is a bald-faced liar. And that the Congress is full of thieves and lechers. Isn’t it odd that some misguided people still cling to the absurd notion that Hillary Clinton is not herself a liar, a thief, and a lecher? Absolutely amazing! But I guess P. T. Barnum was right about one being born every minute. Peace
I never supported Obama. From his first arrival on the scene, ferried in by a mass marketing campaign that was transparently false advertizing and media hype, I warned everyone that would listen that Obama was an empty suit, a puppet, a figurehead.
What is comical from the Hillary supporters is their luxurious situation of being able to opine about what “might have been”, without having the unfortunate disadvantage of history demonstrating whether or not their musings are on target, or just one more example of voter’s naivette and misplaced faith.
What IS clear is that if you do not represent the status quo, you have very little chance of participating in the media choreographed stage show known as “the campaign trail”. All throughout the process, my main argument was that the sidelining of Kucinich, Paul, and Gavel was proof positive that true change was not in the works, and the platforms we were ALLOWED to hear and see debated could only portend more of the same, because candidates that had historically bucked the status quo, and had their convictions proved by the the longetivity of their platforms, were not allowed to participate in the process.
In short, we were given a stacked deck from which to pick a card. Hillary and Obama may have differed in public delivery, but neither one of them represented a departure from politics as usual.
So nattering on about what Hillary MIGHT have achieved is all well and good, but like the rest of them, her daily rhetoric is designed to counter daily events and situations, and may or may not accurately expose her true intentions. Like Obama, her statements are manufactured to sail on the political winds. If we are to accuse these people of “lying”, as Taylor accuses Obama of doing, (and I agree, he’s a shameless liar), we must also look at our favored politicians, and ask if they aren’t doing the same thing. What about Hillary’s State Department denying military invlovment in Yemen, then reversing themselves two days later? She’ll lie as Secretary of State, but she wouldn’t have lied if she was President? Face it, lying is what they do. And if they aren’t pathological liars and opportunists, they aren’t allowed to ascend to the posts they hold.
If nothing else, the last decade should have convinced ANY reasonably intelligent voter that “we the people” is just a feel good slogan, and we stopped having any power quite a while ago. Perhaps Obama is a good thing. Perhaps now the klaxons will go off in the heads of the American voters, and we can drop this ridiculous wedge known as “right vs left” and get back to being one people with shared common interests.
“Isn’t it odd that some misguided people still cling to the absurd notion that Hillary Clinton is not herself a liar, a thief, and a lecher?”
We obviously think very much alike, Imhotep. Its kinda weird being awake in an asleep society, isn’t it? Sometimes, listening to people discuss politics is like living in an episode of the Twilight Zone. Note Daubry’s recitation of the Neo-con Handbook on Selling War, or the silence on the thread about Hillary’s State Department lying about Yemen. Obama and Hillary would not be where they are today if they werte not accomplished politicians. And being “accomplished politicians” certainly does not include “honesty” in their resumes.
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
23 December 2009 at 5:43 am
I agree in general. But for me, Obama is turning out to be worse than I expected. Much worse.
Good Day everyone. I will say it again. I do not believe that we will see any meaningful change in Obama until we change how we deal and do business with him. HE has to see, feel, sense, believe and KNOW that we progressive have lost all respect for him. IMHO, that is the key to our success. Indeed, when we get to the point when we have as much contempt for him as the Republicans do, and we have no problem in showing it. The first time Axlerod calls bloggers for a “tete-a-tete” and no one shows up “because they’ve heard all the BS before” they’ll get the message loud and clear.
Some time ago someone mentioned that the WH was in a “tailspin” because of press articles. Well, you ain’t seen nothing yet. This man cannot stand to be despised. He needs to be adored. He will sell his soul to those whom he thinks despise him in exchange for their love. It seems that the people who abuse him most are the ones who he placates.
As long as he has polls showing that he can count on us no matter what he does, we should not expect one damn thing to change. We will always be lied to and screwed. But learn to walk away, put him in a real “tailspin” and we can achieve more than Big Pharma ever dreamed they could achieve.
Ramsgate…I think there is a lot of walking away going on here.
Lady Lake:
You are correct. I walked away a long time ago. We walk away. In the final analysis, the thing is, “we” don’t count, as our “progressive” representatives ALWAYS cave..
I used to think it was abortion, but now I don’t know.
Here’s the question:
Is there anything (principle) that a progressive believes in strongly enough that s/he cannot (will not) compromise on?
Twas the day before Christmas
and all through the senate and the house
Liberals and Progressives were selling us out
You see the companies making contributions to conservatives really have the legislative clout
Unfortunately, most progressive and liberal outsiders haven’t figured this out
To leave these companies alone will just seal our fate
where we progressives and liberals do not carry much political weight
but if we join together and boycott conservative funders asses
We’ll get progressive legislation that really passes.
If you want to solve the problem of too much company influence over legislation go here http://www.democratz.org
To demand congress enact a strong single payer public option go here http://publicoption.democratz.org
To demand congress fix the medicare prescription drug benefit go here http://drugbenefit.democratz.org
We need to boycott some major companies that give money to conservatives. Send this to many people by email.
Ramsgate. I think the answer to your question is race. It is the one crowning achievement of the liberals. Civil rights has become accepted as the norm in all but a very few citizens.
I’m not saying that the effect of much of our current policy does not enable the structural problems that keep much of our AA population struggling with poverty.
I do think that the problems now plaguing our blue collar class cuts across racial lines and they are now in similar boats.
i wonder who the official was on the plane that went down in Jamacia?
I had a very tough time not sitting on my hands after Hillary was passed over for v-p. She herself shamed me into looking at the larger picture.
Ironically, the Democrat who appears more conservative is the more liberal. Democrats who survive the battering, ingratitude and frustration of politics without becoming cynical are, I think, more likely to be with us in clinch than those who ideals have not been fully tested.
Liberals entranced by Dean, Edwards, and Obama will perhaps learn to be less distracted by bright, shiny objects.
I’m not sure, however, that Hillary would have been even this effective in advancing national health care given the incredible sliming the media has awarded Obama, their darling until he actually tried to do something.
I hope she gets a second chance. Sixty-nine is not as old as it once was.
Ramsgate says:
23 December 2009 at 12:48 pm
“I do not believe that we will see any meaningful change in Obama until we change how we deal and do business with him.”
Lake Lady says:
23 December 2009 at 1:05 pm
“Ramsgate…I think there is a lot of walking away going on here.”
There are more and more who are doing some “meaningful change” and “walking away.” I am in agreement with both of you, but I wonder: Will there be enough people who do so, and will it be organized enough to make difference?
Lady Lake:
During HCR as I watched Progressives throw women under the bus, I wondered about race. These are the very same people who yield to those who would allow immigrants to go untreated in emergency rooms. So yes, I did wonder about race. You may be right, but unfortunately, I don’t have your confidence. I think they may yield there too.
Where conservatives are concerned, nothing is “the norm”; everything is to be overturned when they get power, maybe even including civil rights. The evil bastards are just biding their time. I once thought abortion was settled law. Instead women have to be on their toes because the right is looking for any opportunity to to turn back the clock. It’s a constant battle.
Look at what all the bowing and scraping to Snowe got Mr BiPartisanship:
Snowe Opts Out: Votes To Proclaim Health Care Bill Unconstitutional
carrieboberry says:
23 December 2009 at 4:47 am
He’s turned out to be the post-partisan centrist that I feared he would be.
Thanks! …and welcome. As to what you wrote above, the real issue with Obama is that he has no ideology, therefore no compass, preferring to move from deal to deal, never knowing his own position until two opposing points of view are given to him, where he will then cut the difference.
I’m not shocked. I just wish there was a Congress willing to stand up for better policy and take the time necessary to get that done.
Watching the Dem press conference today, which I tweeted briefly, it was surreal. The bill they describe and are celebrating has no relation to the bill I see being delivered.
Steve High says:
23 December 2009 at 4:28 pm
Given how low Dems have sunk in just one year after Obama took over, it’s going to be a rough road next year.
I can’t stand by while some of you sum up Hillary Clinton as a liar and a cheat. I don’t agree with everything Madam Secretary does; but she is out there doing all the heavy lifting for this administration when it comes to such matters. Obama is giving town hall meetings in China and Hillary deploys to the Middle East. Obama is scheduled to meet Medvedev is Russia. Hillary is sent in first. She is sent in to set the tone or dispatched to unmuttle his messages. She stood time and time again for women’s rights, standing against Bush about Title IX and Plan B. She stood firm to help emergency reaponse teams and victims & victims families from day 1 after 9/11. She was the lead on research and legislation to make mandatory that soldiers returning from Iraq be tested for TBI and seek counseling after it became clear that veteran suicides had gone through the roof. She was frequented Fort Drum and visited soldiers before Walter Reed was popular. This woman has changed lives for the better. And where things might have gone wrong, she thought she was doing it because it was best for the country.
It’s easy to sit at a computer POAmerican and complain. When you actually do something, the risk is you might make mistakes. But you may actually make a damned difference in people’s lives for the better. She has actually done that.
“Gads, it about time you did a bit of introspection, Congratulations, you’ll be the better off for it.”
There you go with the delussional part. But then you are as in touch with reality as far as personal interactions are as you are regarding your conspiracy theories and your politicol points of view.
“Now that we’ve established that Obama is a bald-faced liar. And that the Congress is full of thieves and lechers. Isn’t it odd that some misguided people still cling to the absurd notion that Hillary Clinton is not herself a liar, a thief, and a lecher?”
Oh just go and fuck yourself will you. “cling to the absurd notion that Hillary Clinton is not herself a liar, a thief, and a lecher?”
Who writes your shit, Carl Rove? Anyone who had any doubt about what an out of touch with reality jackass you are need only read that one.
“Hillary and Obama may have differed in public delivery, but neither one of them represented a departure from politics as usual.”
And once again you damn all the players without putting forward anyone even REMOTELY electable. You and your circlejerk buddy are just a couple of concern trolls who haven’t the faintest idea what the American public supports or who they would vote for.
Either your candidate would be Gus Hall or Carl Rove, that’s how fucked in your heads you are.
Oh yeah, in another post I noticed you floated the bullshit “the CIA is running drugs” again. Come up with ANYTHING that dosen’t originate on some uberleft site that does anything but show this to be bullshit. But you can’t. I hate to repeat myself generally speaking but in your case it’s a pleasure. GO FUCK YOURSELVES. You make me embarrassed to be a Democrat.
“Given how low Dems have sunk in just one year after Obama took over, it’s going to be a rough road next year.”
ESPECIALLY with smacked asses like imhopless and POA around mucking up the the cyberways with their dumb as a box of hammers crap.
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
23 December 2009 at 7:10 pm
Tough love?
Bottom line go back through all their posts, and GAWD there are an agonizingly HUGE number of them, and you will find NOTHING but rant, condemnation and vitriol. Not a single candidate put forward. Either thrier UUUUBERleft manufesto version of how things and the Government should be or it’s ALL CORRUPT!!! That and more wackjob conspiracy theories then Carter has Little Liver Pills. They contribute NOTHING, they simply monopolize space.
That and embarrass folks who are actually Democrats.
Give me the “UUUUBERleft manufesto” to your right wing drivel any day. Democrats should be embarrassed. They have worked very hard for that embarrassment. A Democrat in Louisiana stole $300 million dollars for her vote. A Democrat in Massaachhsetts stole $200 million dollars for his vote. A Democrat in Connecticut stole $100 million dollars for his vote. A Democrat in Nebraska stole $500 million dollars, and counting, for his vote. Should I go on. The Democratic Party is a disgrace. Harry Reid is nothing but a bumbling thief and bag man. You might try extracting your head from your posterior, secularhumshitforbrains, for awhile . Don’t be frightened, that big orange ball in the sky is called the sun. Peace
secularhumanizinevoluter says:
23 December 2009 at 7:36 pm
I know, the back and forth entertains me. I can always count on you for a chuckle.
Wellll LOOOKIEE THAR!!! those two are about as usefull as NIPPLES on a BREASTPLATE.
well Taylor I have checked in every once in a while and hated you supporting zero.
now that you seem to have returned to reason and put down the hopium pipe I will check back more often. you still have a good handle on things and are worth reading as long as you are not supporting the liar and thief.
I sure miss some of the posters who left after the primary ended. this site used to be rockin against zero…
have a merry christmas Taylor
mark
Hey Secular. You did it. You ran me off.
Enjoy your diary section, Taylor. Maybe Sec will post some good stuff on foreign policy.
You’ll notice the weasel never did say SQUAT about any candidate, electable or otherwise who would get his/her/it’s support.
I was just waiting for one of them to start in on Bill Clinton smuggling drugs while governor or how HRC murdered Vince Foster or how the Clintons were responsible for COUNTLESS murders.
As for his/her/it’s stable mate imhopless “Should I go on. ”
Oh PLEEEEEAZE don’t unless you come up with something other then your same ol same ol boring as spit UUUUberlefty, based in WORDS FROM IMHOPLESSSSS egomaniacal horsecrap.
Democrats should be embarrassed? Only because the wingnuts can hold up clowns like yourself as liberalizm’s posterchildren and tar us all with the obnozious crap that fills your monochrome brush.
Piece o this pretentious ass.
“You’ll notice the weasel never did say SQUAT about any candidate, electable or otherwise who would get his/her/it’s support”
An excerpt from my forst comment on this thread……
“What IS clear is that if you do not represent the status quo, you have very little chance of participating in the media choreographed stage show known as “the campaign trail”. All throughout the process, my main argument was that the sidelining of Kucinich, Paul, and Gavel was proof positive that true change was not in the works, and the platforms we were ALLOWED to hear and see debated could only portend more of the same, because candidates that had historically bucked the status quo, and had their convictions proved by the the longetivity of their platforms, were not allowed to participate in the process”
Secular, in truth, you’re ruining Taylor’s comment section. You’ve got a huge problem, asshole. And its not one I wanna circumnavigate here. I doubt many will admit it, but Taylor’s blog would be far better off if you just hit the road. But instead, I will.
Fair ’nuff???
Adios.
And to a few of you, those possessing a brain, Merry Christmas.
Good luck, Imhotep.
I knew, abso-farkin-lutely KNEW the great, huge, inflated ego wouldn’t be able to stay away. AND HE/SHE/IT STILL DIDN’T NAME A CANDIDATE.
His/her/it’s rational boiled down from the grandios pros, well, THEY wouldn’t ever let them get their message out. So I suppose he/she/it didn’t see any need to name one.
Any time Ms. marsh feels I’m “ruining Taylors comment section” all she has to do is ask and I’m gone. And I mean REALLY gone. Not some pathetic “THAT’S IT, I’M DONE WITH YOU!” followed a moment latter by “AND ANOTHER THING!” Followed by “OH, YEAH, AND ANOTHER THING!”
Bottom line, Da mean man won’t let me spew sh1t and call it gospel!
Piece!
Mark D says:
23 December 2009 at 9:26 pm
I have supported Obama when it was needed, to beat McCain-Palin, and when it was deserved, mostly on foreign policy, which I will continue to do when it’s earned. On health care, he’s botched it at every move.
Nothing will ever be like the ’08 primaries, Mark, an historic moment in election history, that’s for sure. But I’m glad to read your comment.
Merry Christmas.
BC30 says:
23 December 2009 at 6:48 pm
Go get ‘em.
This sellout is an obvious payoff to lobbyists bigpharma, and insurance. It’s also a poorly crafted biil full of the pork that made this compromised sausage. Obama prempted with compromise, denies and dissembles when held to his campaign promises.
The attack and end run on RowvWade is particularly ugly and harmful, not to say disrespectful of all progressive and many centrist Dem women. Catholic Bishops Council should be forced to pay income tax for interfering with the legislative process.
That Pelosi allowed the despicable Stupak in the House bill says reams about her indifference and insincerity.
I am totally turned off this kind of administration. All of its decisions and policies have nothing to do with what we were led to believe. And er, no, I am not an irresponsible politically naive perfectionist lefty and/or dreamy impractical lefty “troublemaker”. White House turning on those who voted for Obama by name calling is
loser strategy.
So he and his gang are phony balony. The next best thing is Obama’s plans to give billions and bailout the corrupt and dysfunctional Freddie/Fannie responsible for much in the mortgage debacle.