The Boston Globe has a late story on election eve reality. Via Nate Silver, it’s 3 to 1, Brown favored.
Markos’s analysis via Twitter earlier today: We’re about to learn whether Obama can deliver electoral votes.
I don’t agree. It’s been talked about for some time that Coakley took several weeks off after she won the primary. It also doesn’t sound like her ground game was all that good, with her own style not that winning, according to some watchers. Obama can do a lot of things, but he’s, first of all, not a great partisan red meat feeder, which is what you need when the bottom is falling out. Besides, no one can beat the odds of a badly run campaign. Ask Hillary.
As for the future of health care, everyone has a crystal ball tonight. No one knows.
A reporter from the Boston Globe summed it up pretty well on Hardball. He said,”…you have a lawyer running against a politician…” He also said Coakley would rather eat glass than shake hands.
Matthews asked him,”How did the Democrats end up with a bunch of academic elites?” DUH!
Massachusetts is the most Liberal, most anti-war state in the Union. It’s the only state that voted FOR George McGovern in the general election. This Coakley election is all about Obama escalating the wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan. And to a lesser degree about Obama’s broken promises and his doing business as usual in Washington. Like bribing Nelson and Landrieu and not knocking Joe Lieberman into a cocked hat. Screw the Democrats and Obama. Peace
I hear what you are saying about it not being Obama’s fault and Coackley not being a good candidate.Although each time I see a clip that is supposed to illustrate a gaffe,I agree with what she just said. She seems unguarded and honest. Not good traits in politicians these days and that’s a pity.
I do think it will be seen as an Obama failure. He has gone in and tried to help others and it has not worked. He went to Copenhagen and it did not work. His charm is wearing very thin. He needs to roll up his sleeves and do some serious thinking for himself. He is being advised terribly. Going to MA and making fun of trucks,saying HC depended on a win. The people he needed to be talking to were the Reagan Dems,he needed to be talking about jobs.They have healthcare and they drive trucks.He did not get his audience and I’m not talking about the worker bees they pulled off the phones to hold up signs and look transported.
It’s about economics Imhotep. It won’t be about war again until everyone has some skin in the game and by that I mean a draft.
We’re into prime time, folks, when we need less of knee-jerk, pass-the-blame Dems like Markos and more of thinking liberals like TM. Now we need to know what her project is — are we really going to take over the whole country? Hand me my musket.
Here’s a prediction: the liberal establishment will turn on Obama like they did Bill Clinton.
Losing Kennedy’s seat by insisting on a horrible health care bill, Obama has lost the Kennedys’ power seat and many other scared Democrats will turn on Obama and his tone-deaf, go-it-alone, extreme lurch towards socialism.
In 4 months, the NYT will send reporters to investigate Obama’s shady real estate deal, a la Whitewater.
BluePuppy says:
18 January 2010 at 10:03 pm
Here’s a prediction: the liberal establishment will turn on Obama like they did Bill Clinton.
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I guess that will be a good thing because apparently IF it wasn’t for the last years of scandal, the Clinton 8 years were one for the Good Portions of the History Books …
And I still believe Coakley is NOT to blame IF (when?) she loses …
I only wish there was another race going on with a much more active Dem candidate who gets his/her clock cleaned to prove my point …
It’s all about HOPE dismantled …
1 year of unnecessary compromises can do that to a “Yes We Can” slogan …
I’m calling it for Brown… I smell the failed campaign of Virginian Deeds all over Coakley… Why does Coakley failure as a candidate reminds me of Hillary presidential run…But at least with Hillary she won her Senate seat. Can’t say the same for Coakley…
Imhotep….I agree with you…I think that is what it’s about in Mass…Damn Dems why even putting you in office if your just going to act Republicans.
You all don’t get this. I was a Democrat my whole life (I am 48). These past two years I have seen more than I ever thought. I was betrayed by my party when they turned on Hillary. That opened the door for a shift in perspective. I saw Fox being fair to her and MSNBC ripping her to shreds unfairly. That started my awakening and my painful transformation into a REAL Independent. I did not blindly dig my heels in for any party or defend any party. I was free to try to understand both sides. It is easier to see the truth from the top of the mountain than from the bottom and just one side. At the top you see it all and are more open to the truth. Brown winning tomorrow is the result of MILLIONS of people who are transforming from blind commitment to a party to seeing that there is truth that comes from inside. They are awaking and they are open to thinking outside their past little boxes. Tomorrow will be a victory for Americans understanding that they have the power to affect REAL change and REAL hope. Yes, Mr. Obama, we ARE the ones we have been waiting for. And tomorrow is the start of a new revolution in this country. One where Democrats and Republicans and Independents and gays and devout Christians and educated and uneducated ..we all have things in common. And when we all find our commonality we can find our POWER. Come on in, everyone, the water is fine : )
“Imhotep says:
18 January 2010 at 8:42 pm”
YEAH! Let’s elect MORE pshyco rightwingers! THAT’S the way to fix things!!!!
“BluePuppy says:
18 January 2010 at 10:03 pm
Losing Kennedy’s seat by insisting on a horrible health care bill, Obama has lost the Kennedys’ power seat and many other scared Democrats will turn on Obama and his tone-deaf, go-it-alone, extreme lurch towards socialism.”
YEAH! What da teabagger sez!! Stop da EXTREME lurch towards SOCIALISM!!! Jest like Rush TOTD me ta think an say!!!!
“getty1206 says:
19 January 2010 at 1:43 am
You all don’t get this. I was a Democrat my whole life (I am 48). These past two years I have seen more than I ever thought. I was betrayed by my party when they turned on Hillary. That opened the door for a shift in perspective. I saw Fox being fair to her and MSNBC ripping her to shreds unfairly. That started my awakening and my painful transformation into a REAL Independent. I did not blindly dig my heels in for any party or defend any party. I was free to try to understand both sides. It is easier to see the truth from the top of the mountain than from the bottom and just one side. At the top you see it all and are more open to the truth. Brown winning tomorrow is the result of MILLIONS of people who are transforming from blind commitment to a party to seeing that there is truth that comes from inside. They are awaking and they are open to thinking outside their past little boxes. Tomorrow will be a victory for Americans understanding that they have the power to affect REAL change and REAL hope. Yes, Mr. Obama, we ARE the ones we have been waiting for. And tomorrow is the start of a new revolution in this country. One where Democrats and Republicans and Independents and gays and devout Christians and educated and uneducated ..we all have things in common. And when we all find our commonality we can find our POWER. Come on in, everyone, the water is fine : )”
YEAH! YOU JUST DON’T GET THIS! By electing rightwing, teabagger repugs who think a woman shouldn’t have any choice in her reproduction rights even if she’s RAPED, someone who thinks EVERYONE should just get their OWN healthcare(I mean, he has HIS, screw you go get yours!) who thinks everyone, EVEN HIS OWN EMPLOYEES should be responsible for any taxes owed, who thinks it’s funny to joke about a woman being SODOMIZED WITH A CURLING IRON,….THAT’S the way to fix things after 8 yeqrs of repug national rape…ELECT MORE REPUGS!!
Wow, gotta wonder if the repuga and teabaggers took a page from President Obama’s primary campaign and is paying people to post on the net? Cause NO SANE person OR democrat, OR liberal could suggest it would be better to elect another rightwing, UUUberchristowackjob over just about ANY Democrat no matter how weak a Dem the candidate is. Sortta like being a member of Jews for Hitler!
getty1206 says:
19 January 2010 at 1:43 am
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At last! Someone here saying exactly what I’ve been thinking for a long time. I used to be a kneejerk Democrat. If there was any doubt about any candidate, the default was the Democratic candidate. But during the past 2 years, I became deeply disenchanted and after 48 years became an independent. I voted for a Republican for president for the first time in my life in 2008–something that I would have never dreamed of previously. If someone would tell me that one day I’d vote for a Republican, I’d tell them they were a liar. Getty1206, you hit it out of the park. Thanks for your post.
I have come to see that conservatives in both parties HAVE turned into the ANTI NEW DEAL suicide bombers. These conservatives will not admit it but it doesn’t matter to them if they create a lousy for the poor and middle class health care bill as long as they do their damage and bomb the NEW DEAL politically. Medicare Part D. Medicare (Dis)advantage and now the health insurance company and insurance company enrichment act of 2010.
Yes, they don’t want to get voted out but they commit political suicide for the corporations that pay them and then show up as paid lobbyists if they get voted out or in the case of Senator Dorgan who did not like the public option, or Vic Snyder who decided not to run again or for other conservative Demcorats and Republicans who retire and then some of them show up as paid lobbyists or as commission members that get hired by congress like the defeated Christopher Shays did when he showed up on a defense committee hired by the Republican party house members.
So yes it looks like conservatives in both parties have acted like POLITICAL SUICIDE BOMBERS contuining their assult on the new deal.
Democrats, end your frustration with conservatives in both parties. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NNgFBN8Mfc
“I voted for a Republican for president for the first time in my life in 2008–something that I would have never dreamed of previously. If someone would tell me that one day I’d vote for a Republican, I’d tell them they were a liar.”
I was enraged by the conduct of Obama and his suragets during the Primary. I was horrified to see the level of sexist, race baiting supposed “liberals” and “progressives” were capable of.
I was so disgusted I at first planned on voting for McCain.
However his choice of Palin as running mate and the subsaguant campaign the repugs ran convinced me(without much effort really) there was NO WAY I could vote for someone who supported the repugnantklan and the insanity that has come to represent the majority mindset they espouse.
Frankly even the Bluest of the Blue, screwyou dog Dems IS better then the repugs.
I can’t believe there are folks who with a straight face and without having ingested huge amounts of alchohol or pshycotropic drugs can say there’s NO differance between the two parties and they might as well vote for a repug for CHANGE. Change to WHAT?! Women dieing from back alley abortions? The moronic bullying that was called foriegn policy under repug RULE?
The Dems may govern poorly and ineffectively. The Dems may be cozy with lobbyests and Banks and Insurance Cos etc. etc. etc. but things can’t make THAT dramatic a change overnight.
Would I be happyer if Obama had actually instituted all the changes he promised during the campaign, had told the repugs to go pound sand instead of placating them? YES.
But no matter what one has to be either drunk, tripping or opperating with a severly dimminished mental capacity to honestly try to say things will be better with this knuckle dragging,uuberchristion,ant womens rights fu*kwad in the senate. You just have to be retarded to actually say that.
Leave it to Democrats to make sure the Republican plan to get back in power works. Republicans have known all along, that all they had to do was keep 40 senators together to vote no on everything Democrats tried to do, and Dems would turn on each other. Republicans knew that if they hung together, Democrats would have to compromise to pass anything and as soon as that happened, dems would start to fall apart.
Republicans knew that all they had to do was force Democrats to have to get 60 votes with Democrats only, and the party would break apart. Their plan has worked really well. The left are mad at moderates and blue dogs, moderates are mad at the left and blue dogs are thinking of siding with Republicans.
Once again, Democrats become their own worst enemy, and will split into their silly factions, and vote against their own best interests. Republicans will move back into power, and Democratic control will be a small blip in right wing control of this country. Good job dems.
Maybe their fatal flaw is they have to be a big tent party to win elections and the majority but that is a very hard coalition to govern effectively.
Would have been infinitely better had the POTUS did a tiny bit of governing in the direction he campaigned. He had the full wind at his back.
As one said here plenty of times before, they didn’t expect Obama to govern the way he campaigned. Well, that was a prescient observation.
I just can’t get over the idea that people think Obama erred by going too far left! As an educator it is hard for me to accept the level of ignorance in this country about history, civics,public policy and economics.It is frightening to me that MA could elect someone so far right based on symbolism,images,political skills without a thought to policy and how that policy affects their lives.
I guess I should not be surprised it has happened so many times. Mitt Romney was calling Dems royalists today on MJ and it is going to stick.Taylor is right he is a threat. A guy who made his money breaking companies up and selling off what was valuable.
Democrats stuck their collective heads in the sand. Obama has barely looked left much left governed so.
It’s the likes of Palin, Beck, Limbaugh that further such ignorance to the detriment of this country and the lining of their wallets.
A guy who made his money breaking companies up and selling off what was valuable.
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Exactly right. And that’s precisely why he cannot tout himself as the cure for America’s economic ills. Correction: he can, but Democrats will make him own his record at Bain Capital. He’ll sink like an albatross. I hope they double up and go for the Romney/Palin (or vice-versa) ticket.
Oh, by the way, you asked the other day what I was smoking re: my pushback against the Tea Party/Palin fascination here. Look above at the posts by getty1206 and nzanh. Noogan (if I recall correctly)also posted a doozy a few days ago, linking to American Thinker. If you haven’t already, you might want to check them out. Someone else recently linked to a site run by Michelle Malkin. Seriously, what more proof do you need?
The “what are you smoking” question should not be directed at me. It should be directed at the “progressives” who play footsie with the Tea Partiers, link to sites like those mentioned above, and profess affinity for philosophies like libertarianism. I understand the point about blind allegiance to the party. But there are some people you don’t make common cause with, under any circumstance. The Tea Partiers are such people.
djjl, what did you expect from a moderate Democrat? Obama was not, and is not a progressive left winger. I think too many people bought the Republican line that Obama was the most liberal Democrat in the senate.
I don’t know what any Democrat could have done, with 40 Republican senators making it clear from the start, that they were voting NO on everything.
Republicans counted on Democrats doing exactly what they have done. Instead of directing our anger at Republicans, we have turned on each other, Obama wasn’t progressive enough, blue dogs are the problem, moderates are weak, blah, blah blah.
We have seen over the last eight years what Republicans will do when they gain control again. When will progressives, moderates, and Democrats start to direct their anger and frustrations at the party that really will make all our lives a hell of a lot worse.
A lot of us said back during the election, that Obama was a small step in the right direction, not a leap. It seems to many people really did drink the kool-aid and thought that it was going to be morning in America.
angels81, the only thing that I expected from Obama was that he wouldn’t govern like he was a Republican. But, obviously even that was too much to expect from him. Peaxce
ogenec~ I guess I was talking about the regulars. You are right we have some new posters with different views. I hear what you are saying about the TP but honestly I do know some decent people who are not racist who are drawn to the TP.It is their sense of outrage at the bailouts of the banks and the ineffectiveness of both parties in Washington.
Lake Lady says:
19 January 2010 at 12:22 pm
ogenec~ I guess I was talking about the regulars. You are right we have some new posters with different views.
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Aha, but you’ve yet to ask the real question: Whence the new posters? Why do they feel so comfortable linking to patently odious sites? You know my answer.
As for the racism charge, I continue to think that’s shadowboxing. I’ve not leveled the charge. Sec has, but he’s been clear to say that not all are. But it’s not enough to share a sense that the regular person is getting screwed. You need to agree on who’s screwing you, and how. And as to the how, Tea Partiers have very different views. As you can see throughout this site. Blue Puppy and other say Obama’s a socialist; the progressives say he’s a corporatist tool. One of these critiques CAN be right; but as a matter of logic, they cannot BOTH be right. So I fail to see the attraction beyond the superficial. My guess is that’s all it is.
Imhotep,
If you think Obama is acting like a Republican, you have a very short memory of what the last eight years have been like. If Obama has mirrored anybody, its been more like Bill Clinton, another middle of the road Democrat. The way liberals and Democrats have been cutting each other up, you will soon find out (once again) what Republican rule is really like.
” I hear what you are saying about the TP but honestly I do know some decent people who are not racist who are drawn to the TP.It is their sense of outrage at the bailouts of the banks and the ineffectiveness of both parties in Washington.”
LL Ya lays down wit da dogs, ya get up wit fleas.
angels81 says:
19 January 2010 at 12:57 pm
If Obama has mirrored anybody, its been more like Bill Clinton, another middle of the road Democrat.
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Exactly right.
“angels81 says:
19 January 2010 at 10:21 am
djjl, what did you expect from a moderate Democrat? Obama was not, and is not a progressive left winger. ”
angels81
I NEVER thought Obama was the politican he presented himself as – he is a corporatist, elitist, politican. I din’t however expect him to cave so quickly and fully to special interests of Wall Street and Banking while Main Street was being destroyed.
angels81 says:
19 January 2010 at 12:57 pm
If Obama has mirrored anybody, its been more like Bill Clinton, another middle of the road Democrat.
Minus the empathy for the working class, economic prosperity, and job creation, yeah, you’re right.
Thank you Taylor – I didn’t want to take the bait. Not that it was intended as bait – but that’s how it felt when I pondered responding.
BTW, I don’t see Obama as a moderate Democrat – he’s a Blue Dog Democrat, imo.
Lake Lady says:
19 January 2010 at 9:59 am
…Romney needs a veep, so don’t forget Ms. Liz, your favorite.
If that were to happen you would see me working my tail off for the Dems…I would just have to swallow hard and get to work.
That’s what most Dems do every four years. As the saying goes, they’re jackasses, but they’re OUR jackasses.
Yeah I know damn it!