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isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462470</guid> <description>[...] if you haven&#8217;t sent your shout out to HRC about DADT, here&#8217;s my two cents as part of John Aravosis&#8217; campaign to get Pres. Obama to act.  &#160; Tags: civil rights, [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if you haven&#8217;t sent your shout out to HRC about DADT, here&#8217;s my two cents as part of John Aravosis&#8217; campaign to get Pres. Obama to act.  &nbsp; Tags: civil rights, [...]</p><p
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462443</guid> <description>I&#039;ve been involved in LGBT advocacy campaigns, organizations (local, state, national), etc., for over 30 years. Steps forward, usually very small, come after years of work by many people. It took, for example, more than ten years to get &quot;sexual orientation and gender identity&quot; added to the Nashville non-discrimination code, and the beginning of that period was based on 20+ years of previous incremental steps.I did not believe campaigner Obama regarding his promises to the LGBT communities. The hate crimes legislation that has become law wasn&#039;t because he or his administration did anything remotely &quot;fierce,&quot; but because for many years many individuals, often but not always through organizations, simply kept pushing. That&#039;s the only way -- people who keep pushing -- that changes will come in DADT, ENDA, DOMA.So like many others, I keep pushing HRC; I keep pushing elected elites at every level. I&#039;ve heard from politicians / elected at every level, who reached out to LGBT communities during campaigns, the same, tired, &quot;This just isn&#039;t a good time. Of course we&#039;d like to help you out, but you understand, politically, I have to wait until after this next election; until my next term. By the way, please contribute to my campaign in the meantime.&quot;I expect very little from Obama, and not much more from HRC. But that doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;ll quit pushing. And I&#039;m always looking for other ideas, so please, if anyone has suggestions, let us hear them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been involved in LGBT advocacy campaigns, organizations (local, state, national), etc., for over 30 years. Steps forward, usually very small, come after years of work by many people. It took, for example, more than ten years to get &#8220;sexual orientation and gender identity&#8221; added to the Nashville non-discrimination code, and the beginning of that period was based on 20+ years of previous incremental steps.</p><p>I did not believe campaigner Obama regarding his promises to the LGBT communities. The hate crimes legislation that has become law wasn&#8217;t because he or his administration did anything remotely &#8220;fierce,&#8221; but because for many years many individuals, often but not always through organizations, simply kept pushing. That&#8217;s the only way &#8212; people who keep pushing &#8212; that changes will come in DADT, ENDA, DOMA.</p><p>So like many others, I keep pushing HRC; I keep pushing elected elites at every level. I&#8217;ve heard from politicians / elected at every level, who reached out to LGBT communities during campaigns, the same, tired, &#8220;This just isn&#8217;t a good time. Of course we&#8217;d like to help you out, but you understand, politically, I have to wait until after this next election; until my next term. By the way, please contribute to my campaign in the meantime.&#8221;</p><p>I expect very little from Obama, and not much more from HRC. But that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;ll quit pushing. And I&#8217;m always looking for other ideas, so please, if anyone has suggestions, let us hear them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ga6thDem</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462435</link> <dc:creator>Ga6thDem</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462435</guid> <description>Well, I guess it never hurts to try BUT I seriously doubt that the repeal of DADT will happen under Obama. As I understand it, he could repeal it with an executive order and has failed to do so. There is oe group that Obama will NEVER upset and it&#039;s the evangelicals if you have noticed. Everbody is still waiting for Obama to repeal that conscience clause and he still hasn&#039;t done it. What does that tell you? The conscience clause is way less controversial and easier to undo than DADT.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess it never hurts to try BUT I seriously doubt that the repeal of DADT will happen under Obama. As I understand it, he could repeal it with an executive order and has failed to do so. There is oe group that Obama will NEVER upset and it&#8217;s the evangelicals if you have noticed. Everbody is still waiting for Obama to repeal that conscience clause and he still hasn&#8217;t done it. What does that tell you? The conscience clause is way less controversial and easier to undo than DADT.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462423</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:52:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462423</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;The lesson from this “Blog Swarm” will be the realization that HRC has NO influence on LGBT-related legislation...&lt;/i&gt;If that is learned it will be worth the effort, which, let me add would not surprise me in the least.The reason I joined in, which I rarely if ever do on action items, is first because of the issue. Secondly, John Aravosis and I were involved in a little event back in the mid-1990s, though we didn&#039;t meet or know it at the time. I was living in LA when John was part of the Get Dr. Laura Off TV campaign, when I was writing for the LA Weekly. John, along with many others, put enough pressure to get her TV show canned.Since that time Aravosis has led other &quot;silly idea&quot; campaigns THAT HAVE WORKED. He&#039;s got a track record, is tenacious, and he and Joe Subday are movement activists I willingly follow on this one.As for Obama, I&#039;ve never had any doubt that his &quot;support&quot; for gays and lesbians was lip service. I knew it before most.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The lesson from this “Blog Swarm” will be the realization that HRC has NO influence on LGBT-related legislation&#8230;</i></p><p>If that is learned it will be worth the effort, which, let me add would not surprise me in the least.</p><p>The reason I joined in, which I rarely if ever do on action items, is first because of the issue. Secondly, John Aravosis and I were involved in a little event back in the mid-1990s, though we didn&#8217;t meet or know it at the time. I was living in LA when John was part of the Get Dr. Laura Off TV campaign, when I was writing for the LA Weekly. John, along with many others, put enough pressure to get her TV show canned.</p><p>Since that time Aravosis has led other &#8220;silly idea&#8221; campaigns THAT HAVE WORKED. He&#8217;s got a track record, is tenacious, and he and Joe Subday are movement activists I willingly follow on this one.</p><p>As for Obama, I&#8217;ve never had any doubt that his &#8220;support&#8221; for gays and lesbians was lip service. I knew it before most.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: AndrewW</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462422</link> <dc:creator>AndrewW</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462422</guid> <description>More of this silly idea that phone calls and emails make a difference – they don&#039;t.I&#039;m curious, what &quot;pressure&quot; can HRC apply on politicians? What will they do tell the President they&#039;re upset or unhappy? The President doesn&#039;t already know this?For politicians, LGBT-issues are not negotiable. They are based on the beliefs of their constituents. The 111th Congress never had enough pro-LGBT members to pass anything. Phone calls, emails, marches and now HRC wagging their well-funded finger at them will accomplish NOTHING.The lesson from this &quot;Blog Swarm&quot; will be the realization that HRC has NO influence on LGBT-related legislation and neither do we.There is no political solution to LGBT issues. The sooner we learn that, the sooner we focus on the real work of creating equality.Obama knows the repeal of DADT is not possible with the Congress and all he promised was to &quot;work with the Congress.&quot; Dick Cheney didn&#039;t say he supported the repeal of DADT, either. He said he was listening to the military and that the policy should be &quot;reviewed.&quot; Welcome to many years of review, not repeal.The votes are not there for the repeal of DADT or DOMA or ENDA. They never were there. You can lobby, shame and harass all you want – it doesn&#039;t work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of this silly idea that phone calls and emails make a difference – they don&#8217;t.</p><p>I&#8217;m curious, what &#8220;pressure&#8221; can HRC apply on politicians? What will they do tell the President they&#8217;re upset or unhappy? The President doesn&#8217;t already know this?</p><p>For politicians, LGBT-issues are not negotiable. They are based on the beliefs of their constituents. The 111th Congress never had enough pro-LGBT members to pass anything. Phone calls, emails, marches and now HRC wagging their well-funded finger at them will accomplish NOTHING.</p><p>The lesson from this &#8220;Blog Swarm&#8221; will be the realization that HRC has NO influence on LGBT-related legislation and neither do we.</p><p>There is no political solution to LGBT issues. The sooner we learn that, the sooner we focus on the real work of creating equality.</p><p>Obama knows the repeal of DADT is not possible with the Congress and all he promised was to &#8220;work with the Congress.&#8221; Dick Cheney didn&#8217;t say he supported the repeal of DADT, either. He said he was listening to the military and that the policy should be &#8220;reviewed.&#8221; Welcome to many years of review, not repeal.</p><p>The votes are not there for the repeal of DADT or DOMA or ENDA. They never were there. You can lobby, shame and harass all you want – it doesn&#8217;t work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce Arnold</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462419</link> <dc:creator>Joyce Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:47:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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16 February 2010 at 10:18 am
Taylor, I have been calling HRC since 2008. They are bought and paid for by the administration.Unfortunately I think this is accurate. I&#039;ve been calling HRC for more years than I can remember, and the shift to &quot;insider,&quot; DNC &quot;affiliate&quot; has become more and more evident. It&#039;s one reason I mention Servicemembers Legal Defense Network as another option. But HRC is still the organization with the biggest numbers, and if enough people will contact them with the DADT message in Taylor&#039;s post, they might actually have to respond.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mawm says:<br
/> 16 February 2010 at 10:18 am<br
/> Taylor, I have been calling HRC since 2008. They are bought and paid for by the administration.</p><p>Unfortunately I think this is accurate. I&#8217;ve been calling HRC for more years than I can remember, and the shift to &#8220;insider,&#8221; DNC &#8220;affiliate&#8221; has become more and more evident. It&#8217;s one reason I mention Servicemembers Legal Defense Network as another option. But HRC is still the organization with the biggest numbers, and if enough people will contact them with the DADT message in Taylor&#8217;s post, they might actually have to respond.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462417</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462417</guid> <description>Heya Mawm. That&#039;s the problem w/ many groups &amp; think tanks that depend on Dems for their very air. At least will make their priorities clearer.Heya punditmom, nice to hear from you.  Any time you want feel free to post one of your pieces In the News. It&#039;s easy and open to anyone:http://www.taylormarsh.com/in-the-news/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya Mawm. That&#8217;s the problem w/ many groups &#038; think tanks that depend on Dems for their very air. At least will make their priorities clearer.</p><p>Heya punditmom, nice to hear from you.  Any time you want feel free to post one of your pieces In the News. It&#8217;s easy and open to anyone:</p><p><a
href="http://www.taylormarsh.com/in-the-news/" rel="nofollow">http://www.taylormarsh.com/in-the-news/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: PunditMom</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462416</link> <dc:creator>PunditMom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:33:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462416</guid> <description>Just wish we didn&#039;t still have to be fighting about DADT.  It&#039;s just common sense that qualified, dedicated people should be able to serve openly.Joanne Bamberger aka PunditMom
http://www.punditmom.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wish we didn&#8217;t still have to be fighting about DADT.  It&#8217;s just common sense that qualified, dedicated people should be able to serve openly.</p><p>Joanne Bamberger aka PunditMom<br
/> <a
href="http://www.punditmom.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.punditmom.com</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mawm</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462413</link> <dc:creator>Mawm</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:18:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462413</guid> <description>Taylor, I have been calling HRC since 2008.  They are bought and paid for by the administration.  They are no longer an advocacy for LGBT.  They are an advocacy for the administration directed at LGBT.
Same thing for the Advocate.  I have had many of my comments deleted there when they were critical of Dems or Obama, and yet nasty bigotted comments get left up.  LGBT no longer has any real organizations left, and I think I could say the same for the left.  All have been co-opted by Obama for America.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taylor, I have been calling HRC since 2008.  They are bought and paid for by the administration.  They are no longer an advocacy for LGBT.  They are an advocacy for the administration directed at LGBT.<br
/> Same thing for the Advocate.  I have had many of my comments deleted there when they were critical of Dems or Obama, and yet nasty bigotted comments get left up.  LGBT no longer has any real organizations left, and I think I could say the same for the left.  All have been co-opted by Obama for America.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DADT Blog Swarm: Contact HRC To Publicly Demand The President To Take The Lead On Repeal In 2010 &#124; The Naughty Bits</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462410</link> <dc:creator>DADT Blog Swarm: Contact HRC To Publicly Demand The President To Take The Lead On Repeal In 2010 &#124; The Naughty Bits</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462409</guid> <description>You bet, Joyce, proud to join in.EVERYONE contact HRC. It&#039;s an easy email. Please do it today.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bet, Joyce, proud to join in.</p><p>EVERYONE contact HRC. It&#8217;s an easy email. Please do it today.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce Arnold</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/action-alert-its-time-to-end-dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-462408</link> <dc:creator>Joyce Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=50600#comment-462408</guid> <description>Thanks so much for posting this, Taylor. DADT (and the usually unmentioned, Don&#039;t Pursue) has been a key focus for me, and for many others, for years. Pressuring Obama the &quot;fierce advocate&quot; is extremely important. I think Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is an excellent resource. But the push on HRC is very important, since that organization has the biggest &quot;insider&quot; status, and like many insiders, frequently needs a shove to worry less about access and more about advocacy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for posting this, Taylor. DADT (and the usually unmentioned, Don&#8217;t Pursue) has been a key focus for me, and for many others, for years. Pressuring Obama the &#8220;fierce advocate&#8221; is extremely important. I think Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is an excellent resource. But the push on HRC is very important, since that organization has the biggest &#8220;insider&#8221; status, and like many insiders, frequently needs a shove to worry less about access and more about advocacy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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