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> <channel><title>Comments on: Meanwhile, in Israel</title> <atom:link href="http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/</link> <description>Taylor Marsh - News, Political Analysis, Foreign Policy, and  Independent Political Opinion on Progressive Politics</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:00:10 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: mwfolsom</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460887</link> <dc:creator>mwfolsom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460887</guid> <description>Imhotep says:
&quot;No one has ever satisfactorily explained why we went to war in Iraq.&quot;And that statement is absolutely correct.  I&#039;m not into black soundless helicopters spying on Americans in the night but one way to explore why we went to war in Iraq is ask who pushed for it.  I&#039;ve always had a stinking suspicion that since Israeli support groups were very much behind that war so were the elites in Israel.  We didn&#039;t start that war because we needed to rather we went to war because the Israeli power structure which runs Washington wanted us to.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imhotep says:<br
/> &#8220;No one has ever satisfactorily explained why we went to war in Iraq.&#8221;</p><p>And that statement is absolutely correct.  I&#8217;m not into black soundless helicopters spying on Americans in the night but one way to explore why we went to war in Iraq is ask who pushed for it.  I&#8217;ve always had a stinking suspicion that since Israeli support groups were very much behind that war so were the elites in Israel.  We didn&#8217;t start that war because we needed to rather we went to war because the Israeli power structure which runs Washington wanted us to.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imhotep</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460860</link> <dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:06:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460860</guid> <description>No one has ever satisfactorily explained why we went to war in Iraq.  Or why we have chosen to surround Iran with US ground forces.   If Israel feels that it absolutely must attack Iran then we should let them.  But we should first make it perfectly clear to Israel and to the rest of the world that we will not support that attack, lift a finger to assist in that attack, or clean up the mess, in Israel&#039;s favor, afterwards.  Israel has become the problem that must be solved.  Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one has ever satisfactorily explained why we went to war in Iraq.  Or why we have chosen to surround Iran with US ground forces.   If Israel feels that it absolutely must attack Iran then we should let them.  But we should first make it perfectly clear to Israel and to the rest of the world that we will not support that attack, lift a finger to assist in that attack, or clean up the mess, in Israel&#8217;s favor, afterwards.  Israel has become the problem that must be solved.  Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460857</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:52:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460857</guid> <description>mwfolsom says:
02 February 2010 at 8:22 pmThis has been around for a while, last year reaching critical mass, which I saw in the innumerable events I went to, including the huge Saudi conference.I wouldn&#039;t use the phrase &quot;supporting Israel&#039;s victimhood,&quot; though some definitely are, but it is about rising frustrating with Netanyahu &amp; the Israeli right for continuing to ghettoize Palestinians, especially economically. Few jobs are open to Arab Israelis, with the bus issue real for women who are fighting the orthodox. The Israeli right is making a huge mistake focusing so much energy on Iran only, which is their main issue, but their unwillingness not to meet Arabs on anything is a real problem, as is continuing to fight re: Goldstone. Progressive Israelis are fed up with it too.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mwfolsom says:<br
/> 02 February 2010 at 8:22 pm</p><p>This has been around for a while, last year reaching critical mass, which I saw in the innumerable events I went to, including the huge Saudi conference.</p><p>I wouldn&#8217;t use the phrase &#8220;supporting Israel&#8217;s victimhood,&#8221; though some definitely are, but it is about rising frustrating with Netanyahu &#038; the Israeli right for continuing to ghettoize Palestinians, especially economically. Few jobs are open to Arab Israelis, with the bus issue real for women who are fighting the orthodox. The Israeli right is making a huge mistake focusing so much energy on Iran only, which is their main issue, but their unwillingness not to meet Arabs on anything is a real problem, as is continuing to fight re: Goldstone. Progressive Israelis are fed up with it too.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lake Lady</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460844</link> <dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460844</guid> <description>Where is Don Bacon?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Don Bacon?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lake Lady</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460843</link> <dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460843</guid> <description>Is that why I am seeing articles about the rising tide of anti- semitism in Europe? Are they supporting Israel&#039;s victimhood?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that why I am seeing articles about the rising tide of anti- semitism in Europe? Are they supporting Israel&#8217;s victimhood?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mwfolsom</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460842</link> <dc:creator>mwfolsom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:22:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460842</guid> <description>There is something changing in the air - I just don&#039;t think that the iron-clad 100% unquestioning support of Israel seen in both the Democratic and Republican Parties will fly forever.  Folks are looking at DC and wondering why they automatically support/encourage Israel&#039;s desire to use every excuse to oppress and kill as many Palestinians as they can.Several things make me think this - stuff you would have never seen here in Albuquerque, NM several years ago include -::&gt; The first appearance at a Democratic event of our new Dem member of the US House after he was sworn in last year should have been a love fest but it actually got a little rough for him when he was challenged on his votes supporting Israel during the carnage in Gaza.::&gt; In Albuquerque, NM a billboard is up on Central (the old Route 66) paid for by the &quot;Coalition to Stop the $30 Billion to Israel&quot; asking why we send so much money to the Israeli military every year - you can see it here:
http://stop30billion.blogspot.com/2009/12/second-albuquerque-billboard-finally.html::&gt; People are protesting Israels occupation of Gaza most Saturday afternoons on Central near the University and I&#039;ve run into several folks that wanted to talk to me about this mess (I&#039;m a Dem Ward Chair).  While our local Democratic Rep (Martin Heinrich - a member of the New Democratic Caucus by the way) has refused to meet with the protesters he is feeling the heat.Frankly I expect this will work against him in the polls this fall.  While everybody knows that most Republicans would be as bad on this issue as he is it may result in some folks just not voting for him.  I know Taylor still believes that the Dems will &quot;come home&quot; in the end but when this is combined with other stuff (he&#039;s gaining a label as a Corporate Democrat) I&#039;m starting to wonder if our member of the House is hitting a point where that might not happen.  It will be a close race this fall and in previous years the margin of victory has been less than a thousand votes so who knows what will happen - the blind support for Israel by the Democratic party may yet figure into the equation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something changing in the air &#8211; I just don&#8217;t think that the iron-clad 100% unquestioning support of Israel seen in both the Democratic and Republican Parties will fly forever.  Folks are looking at DC and wondering why they automatically support/encourage Israel&#8217;s desire to use every excuse to oppress and kill as many Palestinians as they can.</p><p>Several things make me think this &#8211; stuff you would have never seen here in Albuquerque, NM several years ago include -</p><p>::&gt; The first appearance at a Democratic event of our new Dem member of the US House after he was sworn in last year should have been a love fest but it actually got a little rough for him when he was challenged on his votes supporting Israel during the carnage in Gaza.</p><p>::&gt; In Albuquerque, NM a billboard is up on Central (the old Route 66) paid for by the &#8220;Coalition to Stop the $30 Billion to Israel&#8221; asking why we send so much money to the Israeli military every year &#8211; you can see it here:<br
/> <a
href="http://stop30billion.blogspot.com/2009/12/second-albuquerque-billboard-finally.html" rel="nofollow">http://stop30billion.blogspot.com/2009/12/second-albuquerque-billboard-finally.html</a></p><p>::&gt; People are protesting Israels occupation of Gaza most Saturday afternoons on Central near the University and I&#8217;ve run into several folks that wanted to talk to me about this mess (I&#8217;m a Dem Ward Chair).  While our local Democratic Rep (Martin Heinrich &#8211; a member of the New Democratic Caucus by the way) has refused to meet with the protesters he is feeling the heat.</p><p>Frankly I expect this will work against him in the polls this fall.  While everybody knows that most Republicans would be as bad on this issue as he is it may result in some folks just not voting for him.  I know Taylor still believes that the Dems will &#8220;come home&#8221; in the end but when this is combined with other stuff (he&#8217;s gaining a label as a Corporate Democrat) I&#8217;m starting to wonder if our member of the House is hitting a point where that might not happen.  It will be a close race this fall and in previous years the margin of victory has been less than a thousand votes so who knows what will happen &#8211; the blind support for Israel by the Democratic party may yet figure into the equation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Noogan</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460840</link> <dc:creator>Noogan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:57:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460840</guid> <description>http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/must-read-haaretz.htmlby PHILIP WEISS on FEBRUARY 2, 2010 · 21 COMMENTS&lt;i&gt;An important story that is not being covered in the American press: Haaretz covers the delegitimization story, Israel’s mounting isolation in the world community. This is called honest reporting (and truly distinguishes Israel). Aluf Benn:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;b&gt;In a speech at a conference not long ago, an Israeli diplomat serving in a European capital touted Israel’s hoary PR line, distinguishing between &quot;the only democracy in the Middle East&quot; and its autocratic Arab neighbors. &quot;We share common values,&quot; the Israeli told the Europeans.To his surprise, a member of the audience stood up and replied to him: &quot;What common values? We have nothing in common with you.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;The World Isn&#039;t Buying Israel&#039;s Explanations Anymore&lt;/b&gt;Aluf Bennhttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145985.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/must-read-haaretz.html" rel="nofollow">http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/must-read-haaretz.html</a></p><p>by PHILIP WEISS on FEBRUARY 2, 2010 · 21 COMMENTS</p><p><i>An important story that is not being covered in the American press: Haaretz covers the delegitimization story, Israel’s mounting isolation in the world community. This is called honest reporting (and truly distinguishes Israel). Aluf Benn:</i></p><p><b>In a speech at a conference not long ago, an Israeli diplomat serving in a European capital touted Israel’s hoary PR line, distinguishing between &#8220;the only democracy in the Middle East&#8221; and its autocratic Arab neighbors. &#8220;We share common values,&#8221; the Israeli told the Europeans.</p><p>To his surprise, a member of the audience stood up and replied to him: &#8220;What common values? We have nothing in common with you.&#8221;</b></p><p><b>The World Isn&#8217;t Buying Israel&#8217;s Explanations Anymore</b></p><p>Aluf Benn</p><p><a
href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145985.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1145985.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Noogan</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460839</link> <dc:creator>Noogan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:48:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460839</guid> <description>I appreciate the blog post, Taylor, good one. Alan Dershowitz is a very, very sad and pathetic man; a man who loves torture [we should give him a little love maybe]. I just have one &lt;i&gt;wee&lt;/i&gt; quibble: Israel&#039;s treatment of Palestinians isn&#039;t &quot;harsh.&quot; It&#039;s brutal; it&#039;s ethnic cleansing; it&#039;s apartheid; it is crimes against humanity; it&#039;s slaughter; it&#039;s theft; it&#039;s criminality by a rogue nation.The &quot;christians&quot; [they are no christians] who support it are insane. The Israeli government that exploits them is criminal. The apathetic Jews who live in Israel but don&#039;t want to know what&#039;s happening are complicit in the crimes. And, all of them are destroying Israel&#039;s democratic values, it&#039;s cultural and religious standing in the world, and their people. But they&#039;re taking the rest of us down with them.http://mondoweiss.net/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the blog post, Taylor, good one. Alan Dershowitz is a very, very sad and pathetic man; a man who loves torture [we should give him a little love maybe]. I just have one <i>wee</i> quibble: Israel&#8217;s treatment of Palestinians isn&#8217;t &#8220;harsh.&#8221; It&#8217;s brutal; it&#8217;s ethnic cleansing; it&#8217;s apartheid; it is crimes against humanity; it&#8217;s slaughter; it&#8217;s theft; it&#8217;s criminality by a rogue nation.</p><p>The &#8220;christians&#8221; [they are no christians] who support it are insane. The Israeli government that exploits them is criminal. The apathetic Jews who live in Israel but don&#8217;t want to know what&#8217;s happening are complicit in the crimes. And, all of them are destroying Israel&#8217;s democratic values, it&#8217;s cultural and religious standing in the world, and their people. But they&#8217;re taking the rest of us down with them.</p><p><a
href="http://mondoweiss.net/" rel="nofollow">http://mondoweiss.net/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Imhotep</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460837</link> <dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:42:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460837</guid> <description>Raise your hand if you believe that the Israeli political class wants Peace.  Or has ever wanted Peace.  Think about it.  Israel is a little bigger than Connecticut.  There are more Hebrews in the United States than there are in Israel.  If Israel was at Peace with its neighbors would any American think twice about the place?  The only reason the Christian Armageddonists care about Israel, and care they do to the tune of millins of dollars each year in donations, is because that&#039;s where the Rapture is suppose to take place.  The Israeli Zionist hucksters mine that vein for all it&#039;s worth politically.  The Zionists always keep in mind that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and have no intention of ever living at Peace with anyone.  Especially when Uncle Sugar is so willing every year to fork over billions of dollars to them to shut AIPAC up.  Peace</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raise your hand if you believe that the Israeli political class wants Peace.  Or has ever wanted Peace.  Think about it.  Israel is a little bigger than Connecticut.  There are more Hebrews in the United States than there are in Israel.  If Israel was at Peace with its neighbors would any American think twice about the place?  The only reason the Christian Armageddonists care about Israel, and care they do to the tune of millins of dollars each year in donations, is because that&#8217;s where the Rapture is suppose to take place.  The Israeli Zionist hucksters mine that vein for all it&#8217;s worth politically.  The Zionists always keep in mind that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and have no intention of ever living at Peace with anyone.  Especially when Uncle Sugar is so willing every year to fork over billions of dollars to them to shut AIPAC up.  Peace</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Taylor Marsh</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460829</link> <dc:creator>Taylor Marsh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:43:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460829</guid> <description>Lake Lady says:
02 February 2010 at 5:27 pmheh-heh...That was some column by Fisk, Ramsgate.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lake Lady says:<br
/> 02 February 2010 at 5:27 pm</p><p>heh-heh&#8230;</p><p>That was some column by Fisk, Ramsgate.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ramsgate</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460827</link> <dc:creator>Ramsgate</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:29:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460827</guid> <description>As Bob Fisk correctly put it: &quot;Goldstone is the earthquake beneath Israel&#039;s legitimacy.&quot;
http://2su.de/jh5</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Bob Fisk correctly put it: &#8220;Goldstone is the earthquake beneath Israel&#8217;s legitimacy.&#8221;<br
/> <a
href="http://2su.de/jh5" rel="nofollow">http://2su.de/jh5</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lake Lady</title><link>http://taylormarsh.com/blog/2010/02/meanwhile-in-israel/comment-page-1/#comment-460826</link> <dc:creator>Lake Lady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:27:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.taylormarsh.com/?p=49588#comment-460826</guid> <description>I wish the rapture would hurry up and happen so all the fundies could be beemed up to Jesus and leave all us sinners down here alone.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the rapture would hurry up and happen so all the fundies could be beemed up to Jesus and leave all us sinners down here alone.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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