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Barack Obama on a Bus Pitching Jobs

“Pivot [to jobs] is not an appropriate word. It is continuing the focus we have had…” (Via Sam Stein on Twitter)

That is the funniest thing I’ve read today, until I read this… From The Hill:

President Obama will travel the Midwest by bus this summer to talk up the White House’s job-creation efforts and to try to shore up political support in battleground states.

Obama will embark on a three-day tour, from Aug. 15 to 17. The administration said Wednesday that the trip had long been planned but wouldn’t outline an itinerary beyond saying the stops would be in the Midwest.

[...] “He looks forward to talking to the folks about growing the economy, creating jobs,” said White House press secretary Jay Carney at Wednesday’s press briefing.

Pres. Obama could step off of a bus in Missouri in blue jeans, a work shirt and steel toes, but nobody and I mean nobody is going to buy this stunt. The biggest mistake any politician can make is trying to be someone he isn’t and Barack Obama is not a bus guy. It’s an optics effort, but now his advisers better pray this pr move doesn’t turn into a Dukakis in a tank moment.

As for the jobs pitch, Matt Stoller and Digby team up for the tweet of the day, which really is the biggest failure of Obama’s presidency, though there are plenty of items from which to choose:

Screen capture at top from Huffington Post.

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Al Gore Chides Obama to Use Bully Pulpit on Climate Change

Poor Al.

He wants so badly to help Pres. Barack Obama find his inner presidential activist on behalf of important international policy. But while he scolds him, Mr. Gore also neuters his effectiveness by giving Pres. Obama power over him and the message he’s desperate to drill home.

The Joplin tornado proved how badly a leader is needed. Last week my brother Larry traveled to Joplin, Mo. where he was born. There’d never been such a catastrophe like the tornado that recently decimated this quaint mining town. We’d talked and I’d hoped he’d make the trip once they were letting people in again. He wanted to see the houses he grew up and lived in, to see if they were still standing, along with the hospital where he was born, which took direct hits. All 3 houses of Larry’s childhood, grandma and grandpa’s too, made it through the tornado, his junior high school did not. But seeing Joplin was a stunning trip for him, even as current residents work their way back.

This is part of what our weather has become. The Rush Limbaugh flat earth crowd is oblivious, because they’re still moored in the 19th century, ignoring science, even evolution, not taking the stewardship of our planet seriously.

The problem remains that Obama’s too scared he’ll alienate some far flung Blue Dog or Independent or discover an extinct liberal Republican that might vote for him in North Carolina that he won’t say what’s needed to be said. He’s been in this state for a long time.

It’s time for Mr. Gore to face that Pres. Obama hasn’t been able to find the courage or vision to inspire Americans to join together for any cause and today people wouldn’t listen if he did.

Even with Obama’s incredible power he once had coming into office, he couldn’t get a Democratic Congress to join together to pass important Democratic legislation, with even the health care bill a mish-mash of private insurance benefits and giveaways to Big Phrma. Why anyone thinks at this point he’s going to rally people behind a cause is beyond me.

But because we’re in a desperate climate situation, including losing our oceans, Mr. Gore is driven to try. From Gore’s Rolling Stone article:

[...] But in spite of these and other achievements, President Obama has thus far failed to use the bully pulpit to make the case for bold action on climate change. After successfully passing his green stimulus package, he did nothing to defend it when Congress decimated its funding. After the House passed cap and trade, he did little to make passage in the Senate a priority. Senate advocates — including one Republican — felt abandoned when the president made concessions to oil and coal companies without asking for anything in return. He has also called for a massive expansion of oil drilling in the United States, apparently in an effort to defuse criticism from those who argue speciously that “drill, baby, drill” is the answer to our growing dependence on foreign oil.

[...] … Ultimately, however, the only way to address the climate crisis will be with a global agreement that in one way or another puts a price on carbon. And whatever approach is eventually chosen, the U.S. simply must provide leadership by changing our own policy.

Yet without presidential leadership that focuses intensely on making the public aware of the reality we face, nothing will change. The real power of any president, as Richard Neustadt wrote, is “the power to persuade.” Yet President Obama has never presented to the American people the magnitude of the climate crisis. He has simply not made the case for action. He has not defended the science against the ongoing, withering and dishonest attacks. Nor has he provided a presidential venue for the scientific community — including our own National Academy — to bring the reality of the science before the public.

Here is the core of it: we are destroying the climate balance that is essential to the survival of our civilization. This is not a distant or abstract threat; it is happening now. The United States is the only nation that can rally a global effort to save our future. And the president is the only person who can rally the United States.

Many political advisers assume that a president has to deal with the world of politics as he finds it, and that it is unwise to risk political capital on an effort to actually lead the country toward a new understanding of the real threats and real opportunities we face. Concentrate on the politics of re-election, they say. Don’t take chances.

All that might be completely understandable and make perfect sense in a world where the climate crisis wasn’t “real.” Those of us who support and admire President Obama understand how difficult the politics of this issue are in the context of the massive opposition to doing anything at all — or even to recognizing that there is a crisis. And assuming that the Republicans come to their senses and avoid nominating a clown, his re-election is likely to involve a hard-fought battle with high stakes for the country. All of his supporters understand that it would be self-defeating to weaken Obama and heighten the risk of another step backward. Even writing an article like this one carries risks; opponents of the president will excerpt the criticism and strip it of context.

But in this case, the President has reality on his side. The scientific consensus is far stronger today than at any time in the past. Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. [...]

What Mr. Gore ignores is that whatever capital Pres. Obama once had he has squandered. There isn’t enough hope to believe he can change to lead on climate change. Even if Obama wins reelection, his second term won’t be about Democratic change, but he will likely go for historic accomplishments like “dealing with entitlements.”

It might be hard for people to understand what I’m now about to write. But given Pres. Obama’s failure to use the presidential bully pulpit for anything but to help himself, whether through issues that serve his long-term interests or political future, on climate change, leadership may now have to come from an unlikely source.

Could climate change be the Republicans’ Nixon to China moment if they get into office in 2012? I’m not betting on it, that’s for sure, because Republicans today are a rag tag lot of miserable austerity hacks.

But reading Mr. Gore write this incredible statement reveals the problem with the Democratic establishment, including the best and brightest:

All of his supporters understand that it would be self-defeating to weaken Obama and heighten the risk of another step backward.

The Democratic Party will continue to be ineffectual, weak and a party of corporate interests, including on policy, if they believe pleading to a president who knows he won’t face consequences for his betrayals will change the equation.

At some point, Democrats and progressives are going to have to decide what’s more important, one man and winning or the principles on which their party once stood.

The men backing Jon Huntsman have decided for the sake of the future they think his candidacy is worth standing behind, because it might pave the way for something amazing to happen, like the huge fundraising on his first day out. Maybe they’ll get lucky in the face of such an uninspiring GOP field, but they simply know they can’t tolerate what’s being stood up in the name of Reagan’s party.

Too bad Democrats and progressives don’t feel the same way about F.D.R.’s party.

Al Gore’s piece is a tortured plea, as filled with angst as the entire progressive movement is when it comes to Barack Obama. Lecturing this man won’t change him.

Ask any woman who goes to work trying to change a man, falling in love with the person she thinks he is or could be instead of the man he actually is. It always ends badly, either in breakup or divorce, unless she’s stupid and lazy enough to choose to live with much less than she deserves.

The planet doesn’t stand a chance against these odds.

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The Only Father I’ve Ever Known

I love you, Larry.

…is my big brother, Larry.

I lost my father early due to sickness, which included alcoholism and lymphoma, among a myriad of other illnesses that run the gamut. He technically died of a heart attack, but it remains my belief that his final cancer operation is what led to him deciding to call it quits. He’d been a smoker all his life, Lucky Strikes. After we’d moved to St. Louis, Mo., he was diagnosed with runaway cancer. He’d gone to the hospital for an operation and I wasn’t sure when he’d be home. It was a very long operation, especially at the time. Days later, I was playing one day in my room with a friend when I heard something. I looked up to see this man walking by my room. “Is that your dad?” asked my friend. I glanced up at a horror I’ll never forget. My dad’s jaw and shoulder area of one side of his body looked like it had completely sunken away. In fact, bones were gone. I’ll never forget it as long as I live. No one had warned me. My dad just reappeared after going to the hospital as someone I couldn’t recognize. It scared me to death.

But there was nothing to worry about, really. I had a backstop. Larry.

When my dad died, which I just know was really him saying he wouldn’t spend the rest of his life drinking his steak, because he could no longer chew solid food in his life. Larry stepped in. Mom had never worked a day in her life, didn’t know her financial status was in the crapper, and was totally without a plan on what would happen if she lost her man, especially where it concerned me.

Larry became my dad, even though he had his own family. He’d already begun teaching me about politics, as I learned about inspiration through watching what John F. Kennedy meant to him and America, how a president can impact people, which is how I came to study J.F.K. my entire life, including a one-woman show out of Los Angeles. Larry became my guiding compass on everything. He taught me right and wrong, but particularly the morality and purpose of living true to one’s self.

When he sat me down in front of the TV to watch the Miss America pageant one night when I was still not even a teenager, he simply said that scholarships were the only way I was getting to college. That’s why I entered them, starting with Miss Teenage America (I became Miss Friendship, believe it or not); pageants begat other opportunities to get money to fund college, with becoming Miss Missouri in the Miss America pageant assuring I’d have the cash (though I graduated early to save money).

Larry has been there at every grand moment, and there have been plenty, as well as each disaster in my life and there have been several desperately rocky times. I travel the path least taken and the road has been glorious, but never smooth, which remains the case to this day.

There isn’t a moment that goes by I don’t thank the gods for this giant of a man in my life. Of all the cruelties I have endured, having the grace of God bestow on me Larry Richard Marshall as my protector, mentor, brother soul mate and friend has been the greatest gift and saving grace that’s made the difference.

I’ve wished him a Happy Father’s Day every year as far back as I can remember. I do so again today.

I love you, Larry. Everything I am is because of you. Everything I have is because of you. Everything I am still to accomplish and become is because of you.

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BREAKING NEWS… Say Hello to ‘Mayor Lake Lady’

TM NOTE: One of our dearest, most activist readers, commenters and diarists has done it. Known as “Lake Lady,” she’s gone and gotten herself elected mayor. On behalf of everyone here at TM.com, as well as women everywhere who need more powerful progressive female voices speaking for them, this “In the News” diary has been proudly front paged. I’m absolutely verklempt.

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Hi TM friends~

Well, I did it! I got 61.52% of the vote!

The last couple of months have been fun and exciting. I had a great team of very smart and able supporters and we pulled it off. We proved a small group of citizens if determined can make change.

The great thing about local government is that it is non-partisan and my supporters are from all political ideologies. One of our favorite pastimes is to argue national politics.

We share a similar vision of our small town and a similar disgust with the sloppy good ol’ boy way it has been run.Not only did I win the mayor’s seat but two in my team won alderperson spots so the voting power is going to shift.

Now the work begins. We have to deal with what is either gross incompetence or corruption with our finances,a city hall that has been run like it is the 1950s and a bully police force.

Mixed with the hard stuff will be lots of fun stuff like; redesigning our newsletter and website, making our little park next the river a jewel with hiking and biking trails connected through a bridge over the river to a new white water competition site, a natural playground and a bandstand for concerts and movies in the park. I think my favorite thing will be monthly coffees with the mayor in a little log cabin located in the park.

I think this is called “doing something useful in your retirement.” Ha!

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Missouri Says No to Health Care Mandate

For now call it purely symbolic. See the failed efforts if you’re skeptical.

Photo of Taylor in Miss Missouri pagaent

But the mandate without the public option is a loser and always has been, as I’ve been writing from the start. That the Show Me state, where I was born, was the first to weigh in and say so doesn’t surprise me a bit. I’ve been talking to Missourians for some time, mostly via email, though I also hear from many via Facebook, so I wish I would have made a bet in Vegas.

From the St. Louis Post Dispatch, the St. Louis home town paper.

Missouri voters on Tuesday overwhelmingly rejected a federal mandate to purchase health insurance, rebuking President Barack Obama’s administration and giving Republicans their first political victory in a national campaign to overturn the controversial health care law passed by Congress in March.

“The citizens of the Show-Me State don’t want Washington involved in their health care decisions,” said Sen. Jane Cunningham, R-Chesterfield, one of the sponsors of the legislation that put Proposition C on the August ballot. She credited a grass-roots campaign involving Tea Party and patriot groups with building support for the anti-Washington proposition.

[...]Missouri was the first of four states to seek to opt out of the insurance purchase mandate portion of the health care law that had been pushed by Obama. And while many legal scholars question whether the vote will be binding, the overwhelming approval gives the national GOP momentum as Arizona, Florida and Oklahoma hold similar votes during midterm elections in November.

The courts will likely have the last say, so who knows the practical impact of the almost 70% vote in Missouri against the healthcare mandate. So, call it a symbolic up yours to Washington Democrats.

It does bring back the impractical arrogance of Pres. Obama and Democrats who wouldn’t back a public option. Thinking that forcing people into a monopolized system is going to go down easily was the biggest political miscalculation of the health care debate. Movement progressives worked hard to keep Democrats from making this costly mistake. I watched as they made the case, many of you part of that work, but the Democratic establishment in Washington refused to listen. It’s come back to bite elite Democrats in the first I Told You So moment of the election season, which is also a warning shot to Obama’s re-election bid in 2012, though there is still no evidence yet anyone of the right can take him down.

Prop C in Missouri was also directed pointedly at Pres. Obama.

Whether the vote last night ends up meaning anything or not, it is a real shot in the arm to Tea Party Republicans for the midterms, while not doing much for the enthusiasm gap that’s been widening for months.

The mandate without a public option was always a loser. Missouri just confirmed it in case anyone’s still doubting, with discovery on the Virginia lawsuit certainly to be interesting to watch.

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Rush’s Racist Patter Bites Back

“Dave and I are part of a bid to buy the Rams and we are continuing the process. But I can say no more because of a confidentiality clause in our agreement with Goldman Sachs. We cannot and will not talk about our partners. But if we prevail we will be the operators of the team.” – Rush Limbaugh

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Mr. Limbaugh’s “Barack the Magic Negro” was the crescendo of his over the top rhetoric over race, but there was much that preceded it. Of course, racism isn’t his only problem. Has he ever given respect to any professional woman on the left? But do either of these issues have anything whatsoever to do with Rush Limbaugh joining Dave Checketts, owner of the NHL St. Louis Blues, to buy the Rams?

No, they don’t.

It also didn’t help when Limbaugh imploded on ESPN for saying Donovan McNabb was overrated, but no one would say so because the league wanted an African American qb to do well in the NFL. It forced a resignation from Rush.

Now, I’m not a fan of Rush, having been one of his harshest critics, long before blogging was the way on the web. His sexism is legendary and nothing for which to be proud. His comments about Hillary Clinton wanting to join the military, with Rush saying her keister was too big to fit into the uniforms, with “feminazis” and “info-babes” regular slurs he uses against women representing Rush’s testosterone Turrets when it comes to his inability to handle strong women equal to him. The concept itself making him uncomfortable.

However, anyone who has listened to Rush over the 20 years he’s been around has heard his passion for football. That doesn’t mean he’d be a good owner of a football team, but should his political commentary matter?

Bryan Burwell, of the St. Louis Post Dispatch, thinks so. But he doesn’t go after Rush on his ability to operate the franchise. Burwell attacks Rush playing the race card.

[...] … So Rush Limbaugh wants to own the Rams. Well good for him. That’s his right as an American. But I just wonder if the NFL has learned its lesson from the last little dance with him. Dancing with Limbaugh is like dancing with a snake. Eventually, the snake will bite you. That’s his nature.

You just might want to consider this while everyone is conveniently forgetting (or perhaps even quietly agreeing with) all the polarizing racial politics that comes along with Limbaugh:

In this modern age of the NFL, where free agents have the right to pick where they play, how many will turn their nose up at the Rams once they get a whiff of Limbaugh’s “Bloods vs. Crips” sensibilities?

I grew up in St. Louis, spending a lot of time watching the St. Louis Cardinals, football and baseball teams, the latter my absolute favorite. I’ve written about Missouri’s tortured legacy on race, including my big bro’s legal work on the matter, as well as my own experiences. Race in St. Louis is not something to take lightly, not even today.

Maybe it’s fair of Burwell considering Rush’s political commentary, especially on Obama. But racism is racism and Mr. Burwell would do well to check himself on this one. (Same with Robert Littal.)

Besides, what all this has to do with Rush’s bid to buy the Rams (who have 5-31 record since 2007) is beyond me.

Unless you actually believe Rush Limbaugh as Rams owner would keep a black player down, vaulting a less talented white player in his place. Something that simply is not believable. As Rams owner, if you really want to factor in his political style, Rush would want to win, likely at all costs. Think Jerry Jones firing Tom Landry.

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READER DIARY: Postcard from the Edge of Insanity

TM NOTE: This is a diary authored by reader Lake Lady that is posted “In the News”. It covers Sen. McCaskill’s recent town hall. This evening the Senator was on “The O’Reilly Factor” saying the same thing Lake Lake describes below. As an aside, I was born and raised in Missouri, so it’s interesting to see a Democratic senator from that very purple state try to navigate the health care quagmire, amidst very organized efforts to marginalize its importance. Sen. McCaskill, opining about respecting the crowd, while also saying it was grass roots, chooses to ignore the political realities of what we’re all facing, which Lake Lady describes very well. It’s tough being a Democratic senator right now, especially in Missouri, if you want to keep being a senator. McCaskill obviously knows how to do the dance. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, because I’ve seen what comes out of Missouri, having watched politics there since I was a kid, as my big brother was a politician there back then (and has spoken to McCaskill, as he’s a long-time resident of Missouri). McCaskill is a vast improvement from the usual Missouri fare. See Kit Bond.

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Postcard from the Edge of Insanity – Hillsboro MO., Claire McCaskill’s townhall.

As I drove down the brand new, divided highway leading to Hillsboro, I reflected on the fact that my smooth ride was due to it being the county seat of my blue county. I did not know what to expect having been to so many tame Democratic events in this town.

I was pleased to see police presence as they guided us into the Community College where the event was to be held. Traffic slowed and I could read all the “anti” posters; anti-abortion, anti-global warming, anti-healthcare reform, you get the picture.

I parked next to a van with a big sign advertising the website for the St.Louis chapter of Teabaggers. I grabbed my placard, “Civility is a sign of Intelligence”, and walked behind the parked cars, reading their bumper stickers, wondering who was going to be inside?

The campus security was cheerful enough for the day’s work, chatty as people walked by. Judging the people I was walking with I could have been heading for a revival.

Outside the field house more police and the usual suspects holding “anti” posters. There were some funny pro healthcare posters, saying things like, “Keep Your Government Hands off My Medicare”. I wondered if the irony would be lost on this crowd?

I was among the last allowed inside. I did not want to end up in front. I wanted to be close to an exit. I was right.

Luckily, there was a group of local Democratic elected officials, party people and organizers I knew who had the same idea I did and were sitting in the bleachers close to the exit. I joined them. They were all kind of rolling their eyes, wondering what was going to happen.

Out of a crowd of 2,500 hundred people, we were outnumbered three to one.

It was appropriate for this to be held in a field house because the crowd was spoiling for some blood sport.You could feel it in the air.

Claire opened with some smart tactics. She had a minister give a prayer and she asked her mother,a real character beloved by Dems, to say a word.

She asked vets to stand, a fair number stood. She assured everyone she intended to be fair and pointed to her two fish bowls full of questions. She had a perfect lesson plan but she did not get the chance to teach.

The crowd was already restless, spoiling, and when she asked for a show of hands, for the people who where there because they were against any healthcare reform what so ever, they roared as hundreds of hands shot up.

She chose two women with their hands in the air to come up and pull out the questions from the fishbowels. Great! There went any chance of a progressive question being asked!

She sweet talked, she used her mother voice,she even used her high school principal voice a couple of times. (Never her prosecutor or state auditor voice.) It did not matter.

They booed, they hissed, we shushed, they called out insults or Rush lines. One man standing next to the bleachers holding a, “Don’t Tread on Me” flag kept yelling out, “liar!” every time she spoke. Finally, I snapped and called out to him “pipe down”, he screwed up his face and spit at me to “shut-up”. A guy sitting behind me in the bleachers was about eye level with him. He put his face about two inches away and said, “Hey buddy, f*** you!” They started this, ‘ya wanna take it outside’ thing and a couple of sheriff’s deputies materialized out of nowhere and calmed everyone down. I thanked the guy behind me on my way out.

These people were haters. They hated McCaskill. They hated Obama. They hated the government. They never voted for her or any other Democrat. They were a combination Teabaggers, Rethuglicans, garden variety wingnuts and people driven there by their poisonous preachers who think Obama is the antichrist. The people who actually lived in Jefferson County probably fell into the last category. They were anti-science, anti taxes, ignorant, misinformed to a ludicrous degree. Nothing, anyway resembling democracy was taking place.

In her appearance on, “Morning Joe” this morning, Senator McCaskill was chipper, blathering on about being proud to be a part of democracy.

Since then she has tweeted that when she reviewed a film of the townhall, she realized that she may have been a little condescending (the few times she did make a point that shut them up for a split second) at times, and she was sorry for that.

Appeasement of people who hate her.

I am very depressed.

At one point we noticed a camera bag sitting by itself in the middle of an empty space on the gym floor. A few of us moseyed out the exit and hung around outside for awhile. When we went back in the police had a sniffer dog in that spot. I was grateful that they had been prepared. I guess it belonged to the gang of press. Nothing came of it.

I am willing to walk my talk but I am not willing to lose my legs.

That is the way it went.

This diary has been edited, but not for content, with YouTube added.

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The Show Me Debate

Visiting Missouri a couple of weeks ago, where I was born, we drove to St. Louis, where I went to to school through high school. It’s a gorgeous city.


Do you have your Sarah Palin bingo card ready?


They take the stage. Palin asks, “Hey, can I call you Joe?”

Bailout question goes to Biden, because of a coin toss. He went right to the middle class, going into specifics on what was needed. “Lunch bucket Joe” answer with specifics.

Palin goes to “fear” seen at a soccer game on the weekend. We need “reform.” A little shaky.

Asks if he can respond. Goes at McCain when he said the “fundamentals of our economy is strong.”

Palin is tight. Her eyes are flashing, when responding to Biden on McCain, saying McCain was talking about the American worker. Platitudes in response to Biden’s truth.

Who was at fault in the economic crisis? “Darn right it was the sub-prime lenders.” Greed. “Joe six pack and hockey moms need to band together!” “Don’t live outside our means.”

Two years Obama warned about sub-prime mortgage problem, said Biden. At the time, McCain gave an interview to the WSJ saying he was always for more deregulation. Obama was talking about regulating, while “20 times” John was deregulating, also saying he wanted to do for the health industry what was done for banking. Then turns to a guy named Joey filling his tank. Biden asks how much it costs to fill his tank. Joey states, “I don’t know. I never have enough to fill it.”

Ifill asks Palin is she wants to respond on what Biden said about McCain. She turns to “raising taxes.”

Biden calls her on not answering the question on deregulation.

Ifill asks if she wants to respond. She says she wants to talk about taxes. Then says she’s going to talk about her record.

Biden just keeps smiling… on to taxes. “When (the middle class) does well, we all do well.”

Palin brings up Biden’s comment about paying taxes is patriotic. Keeps hitting Obama on taxes. Then swings to health care, urged by Ifill. $5,000 health care credit. The feds taking over health care is bad.

Biden: We don’t call it redistribution not to give a tax break to Exxon-Mobil. We call it fairness. McCain gets the $5,000 health credit, he taxes people. Biden is now off and running on facts and policy. Ending with: “I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere.”

See Palin’s eyes glaze over here. Smiles on his soundbite, which was a beauty.

Palin then talks about the energy plan that Obama voted for, while she “took on those oil companies.” Point to Palin on this one.

Ifill asks if there is anything she’d take off the table since the crisis. “What have been at this like 5 weeks.”

I agree with the governor. She gave a windfall profit tax against the oil companies. That’s what we want to do. McCain doesn’t want to do this. “I hope the governor is able to convince McCain to support our windfall profit tax, which the governor did and I give her credit for that.”

FREEZE MOMENT… Palin was clueless on bankruptcy, so she completely changed the subject to energy. Turned to CNN. On “energy independence” the dials went high for both the men & women. Biden’s dial numbers have been high throughout.

Biden goes off on energy and the dials on CNN go way up. Talks about using clean coal, nuclear and all avenues. … .. John voted 20 times against funding alternative fuels.

Do you support benefits for same-sex couples? Biden: absolutely, positively. “It’s only fair. That’s what the Constitution calls for.”

Palin: Not if it changes the definition of marriage. “I am tolerant.”

IRAQ: Palin, “surge” is working. No quitting. Al Qaeda… blah-blah-blah.

Biden: “With due respect, I didn’t hear a plan.” Obama and I agree that we must have a timeline. Iraqis have a surplus. … “We will end this war. For John McCain, there is no end in sight to end this war.”

Palin: PREGNANT PAUSE HERE.. white flag… blah-blah-blah… Bush talking points here.

Biden throws down on funding military equipment. Slams McCain. “McCain was saying that Sunni and Shias. “God love him, but he’s been dead right on the fundamentals relating to the war. As my mother said, God love him, but he’s been dead wrong.

Biden now launches into Pakistan. (NOTE: He shared his views in a post during the primaries here on this site.) John continues to tell us that the central war on terror is in Iraq. .. (if an attack comes) it will come in the hills of Afghanistan and Pakistan. “There have been 7,000 madrassas built.. We should help them build schools.”

Palin turns to Petraeus. “Central war in terror is Iraq.” OH NO!!! ‘NUCULAR’ weapons. Iran, Israel, insert Sean Hannituy talking points here. “The Castro brothers?” Is that a lounge act?

I had a talk with Kissinger, said Palin. They hate us for our freedoms.

Biden: It surprises me that McCain doesn’t know that Ahmadinejad doesn’t control the security apparatus in Iran. Five secretary of states say “talk, talk, talk.” McCain says he won’t sit down. Throws down the Spain card. “I find that incredible.”

Nobody supports Israel more than Joe Biden. The policy of this Administration has been an “abject failure.” Biden then said he would have never joined the ticket if Obama hadn’t supported Israel. EXCELLENT. Biden mentions Bush pushing for Palestinian elections, calling Bush out.

Palin: Glad we agree on Israel. Quit lookin’ back!

Biden: “Past is prologue.” I haven’t heard how John McCAin’s policy will be different from… insert an issues. Biden cleaned up here. Remarkable exchange, just remarkable.

Biden reminds Palin that an Iraq like surge WILL NOT WORK IN AFGHANISTAN. Why? The generals say so. Pivots to the Lugar agreement on nuclear proliferation, which Obama was instrumental in.

NOTE: Palin takes on Obama on Afghanistan. According to the CNN dials, they didn’t buy it. The trust factor is definitely with Biden. Goes back to defense spending in Afghanistan.

The American people have a stomach for success,” was Biden’s response to an Ifill question on interventionism, talking about Africa. “I don’t have the stomach for genocide when it comes to Darfur. I’ve been in those camps in Chad…. We should rally the world to act.

Ifill turns that to Palin… I’m so obviously an outsider. Clueless to what Biden is even talking about. Segues to Iraq. “All options are on the table” for Darfur. YIKES. Back to Alaska… then back to Darfur.

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